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| PhantOS:
--- Quote from: Red Spy on February 13, 2017, 03:36:21 PM ---Well yeah it's not good that he died but moral relativism isn't the answer here --- End quote --- elaborate |
| Red Spy:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on February 13, 2017, 03:37:10 PM ---elaborate --- End quote --- I don't know it's kinda weird when you're saying the kool kids klub guy is just the same as you or me. Yeah no stuff he's also a human but he definitely isn't as worthwhile as a person who isn't apart of the most known white supremacy group in America |
| Poliwhirl:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on February 13, 2017, 03:21:21 PM ---Despite the horrible things people do and believe on this Earth, it's important to accept that they are as human as you, and they have a life that they lived full of happiness and sadness, love and hate, various other emotions. It's easy to feel the disconnect between you and the second-in-command of America's most notable hate group, but just acknowledge that there are family members that are mourning his loss. He's not some 'tribal white scum' but rather a human, and although he follows the same group that terrorized my grandparents and great grandparents when they were alive, he's still a human being. Put the hate aside and try to see this, give a moment of silence for his family who are probably grieving right now. --- End quote --- you seem to be under the impression that everyone here doesn't already know this there are some people that, when dead, present a net gain for society. allow the people who are close to him to grieve, but know that some people are better off having no influence over anybody. while sudden death is not ideal, it solves a problem. a problem that would ideally be solved through convincing and conversation, although near impossible at this level of indoctrination. it's the same reason why nobody cries about Riddler's death. ideally, he would be put through therapy and shown the wrongs of his ways, but that is incredibly unlikely and there were no significant downsides to Riddler dying. sure, Riddler's family probably felt bad, but that's between them and their personal relationships. it's rude to force those people to whom he was personally connected to feel happy about it, but it is entirely unreasonable to expect society as a whole to remember that Riddler was a human being when they are busy celebrating their freedom from his dictatorship. this is a really long-winded answer with respects to your moral beliefs, but this is the nicest way possible of saying that this person held such little value in society that it's probably a good thing that they aren't around. |
| PhantOS:
--- Quote from: Red Spy on February 13, 2017, 03:45:58 PM ---I don't know it's kinda weird when you're saying the kool kids klub guy is just the same as you or me. Yeah no stuff he's also a human but he definitely isn't as worthwhile as a person who isn't apart of the most known white supremacy group in America --- End quote --- that's entirely your point of view. Objectively, he's a human being and any loss of life is objectively bad. --- Quote from: Poliwhirl on February 13, 2017, 03:49:18 PM ---you seem to be under the impression that everyone here doesn't already know this there are some people that, when dead, present a net gain for society. allow the people who are close to him to grieve, but know that some people are better off having no influence over anybody. while sudden death is not ideal, it solves a problem. a problem that would ideally be solved through convincing and conversation, although near impossible at this level of indoctrination. it's the same reason why nobody cries about Riddler's death. ideally, he would be put through therapy and shown the wrongs of his ways, but that is incredibly unlikely and there were no significant downsides to Riddler dying. sure, Riddler's family probably felt bad, but that's between them and their personal relationships. it's rude to force those people to whom he was personally connected to feel happy about it, but it is entirely unreasonable to expect society as a whole to remember that Riddler was a human being when they are busy celebrating their freedom from his dictatorship. this is a really long-winded answer with respects to your moral beliefs, but this is the nicest way possible of saying that this person held so little value in society that it's probably a good thing that they aren't around. --- End quote --- It was a response to count. What makes you say they held so little value in society? He contributed money towards the economy by buying food, made friendships with people around him and had a family, although not so functional. He held a completely different set of beliefs, but there's no way for you to say 'alright this person has more value than this other person.' He's literally the same as the average American, and saying he's not as valuable because he thinks differently is disgusting. So far he's innocent and isn't some evil psycho that murders others, so he's an innocent person. Saying 'i'm glad he died lol' to anyone is very selfish and almost psychopathic. |
| Red Spy:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on February 13, 2017, 03:49:40 PM ---Objectively, he's a human being and any loss of life is objectively bad. --- End quote --- Objectively, a loss of a kool kids klub member is less of a tragedy than a school full of kids blowing up. From your point of view those things are equally bad. They aren't |
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