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| DestroyerOfBlocks:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on February 13, 2017, 03:49:40 PM ---that's entirely your point of view. Objectively, he's a human being and any loss of life is objectively bad. --- End quote --- well whys that |
| Poliwhirl:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on February 13, 2017, 03:49:40 PM ---that's entirely your point of view. Objectively, he's a human being and any loss of life is objectively bad. --- End quote --- you want to get into 'objective' facts? objectively, that's one less person that is draining resources from the earth. objectively, that's one less person that can infect others with their hatred. you can't claim your sense of morality is "objective" in the face of other more technically pragmatic opinions. |
| Rally:
--- Quote from: Poliwhirl on February 13, 2017, 03:49:18 PM ---you seem to be under the impression that everyone here doesn't already know this there are some people that, when dead, present a net gain for society. allow the people who are close to him to grieve, but know that some people are better off having no influence over anybody. while sudden death is not ideal, it solves a problem. a problem that would ideally be solved through convincing and conversation, although near impossible at this level of indoctrination. it's the same reason why nobody cries about Riddler's death. ideally, he would be put through therapy and shown the wrongs of his ways, but that is incredibly unlikely and there were no significant downsides to Riddler dying. sure, Riddler's family probably felt bad, but that's between them and their personal relationships. it's rude to force those people to whom he was personally connected to feel happy about it, but it is entirely unreasonable to expect society as a whole to remember that Riddler was a human being when they are busy celebrating their freedom from his dictatorship. this is a really long-winded answer with respects to your moral beliefs, but this is the nicest way possible of saying that this person held such little value in society that it's probably a good thing that they aren't around. --- End quote --- Riddler was responsible for the death of over 6 million innocent people. he is globally infamous 71 years after his death. frank had some stuffty opinions and will be forgotten in a week. i'd be willing to wager nobody in this thread even knew who the forget he was or what he felt about minorities until he got shot in the head. it's amazing to me that you can compare a working family man to Riddler just because he doesn't like black people it doesn't solve any problems. people already entrenched in hateful alt-right ideology will use this to confirm their biases, same with his family, his children will grow up with that. literally all this does is introduce more hatred into society, that is not a 'net gain' just because the (already very tiny) possibility of him gaining power over the people he hates has been eliminated. |
| PhantOS:
--- Quote from: Red Spy on February 13, 2017, 03:53:05 PM ---Objectively, a loss of a kool kids klub member is less of a tragedy than a school full of kids blowing up. From your point of view those things are equally bad. They aren't --- End quote --- I consider any loss of life bad. A loss of a kool kids klub member is less of a tragedy to you because you don't know him personally and therefore aren't connected. Saying what is more of a tragedy than another thing is subjective and biased, and the best way to judge is to count how many people died. In this case, the death of a kool kids klub member is just as tragic as a toddler getting run over, but personally i'd prefer the former over the latter. However, there is no case of 'choose either this or that'; it's a man who was killed, and it's objectively tragic that he was killed. --- Quote from: Poliwhirl on February 13, 2017, 03:54:27 PM ---you want to get into 'objective' facts? objectively, that's one less person that is draining resources from the earth. objectively, that's one less person that can infect others with their hatred. you can't claim your sense of morality is "objective" in the face of other more technically pragmatic opinions. --- End quote --- If you want to get technical about 'draining resources' and other bullstuff, you're no more valuable than him. You drain just as much resources than he does, the only difference is that you believe in something different. |
| DestroyerOfBlocks:
going by your philosophy he is not more valuable than him anyway because all humans have an innate human equality or something though i dont know where im going with this |
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