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PhantOS:
--- Quote from: Badspot on February 18, 2017, 01:31:16 AM ---When you went out of your way multiple times to defend or minimize antifa as just a few random guys following a hashtag and not an organized gang that showed up in the hundreds, wearing masks, to shut down a speech by beating people up and starting fires.
I mean maybe I'm being overly polarizing here but when there's droves of self-described communist revolutionaries in the streets and you're making excuses for them I see that as tacit endorsement.
And here you're defending out of context character assassination for the purpose of hurting someone financially.
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i dont agree with what antifa does or stands for. whenever i google antifa i find the movement and multiple websites for different people that believe in different things, etc etc. I don't believe that the entire wing of the anti-fascist movement is composed of terrorists or should be considered a terrorist organization, especially since its a movement. if there's a group under the same name that organizes violent riots for the sake of spreading fear or putting down free speech, then by all means consider them a terrorist organization- i just havent seen it yet.
honestly disney shouldn't even be associated with pewdiepie to begin with, considering the fact that he's definitely nowhere near PG-13. i believe that if disney didn't already know that this partnership was a bad financial move, they do now and that's perfectly fine. there are other businesses that have the right to support pewdiepie and his out of context jokes, and i still love pewdiepie and his videos. i just don't believe that disney is wrong for making their decision.
rambo1220:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on February 18, 2017, 01:41:29 AM ---i dont agree with what antifa does or stands for. whenever i google antifa i find the movement and multiple websites for different people that believe in different things, etc etc. I don't believe that the entire wing of the anti-fascist movement is composed of terrorists or should be considered a terrorist organization, especially since its a movement. if there's a group under the same name that organizes violent riots for the sake of spreading fear or putting down free speech, then by all means consider them a terrorist organization- i just havent seen it yet.
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There's not multiple Antifa's, there's one, which is Antifa, if people don't agree with it then they don't support it, so the ones that do support it do incite violence and the harming of others, for example look at that European reporter who tried to do a news piece in front of one of their hangouts, they were chased out all the way to their car blocks away while having bottles thrown at them, and then look at the $100,000 in damages in Berkeley.
Also calling something a movement does not remove it's negative connotation.
Ipquarx:
Disney retracting a deal with him because he made a joke they didn't like? Completely within their rights as a company if they don't want to be associated with whatever jokes he makes.
Writing articles taking stuff out of context to make him look bad? Not good. In the slightest. There should be no debate about that, even if he can take it.
PhantOS:
--- Quote from: rambo1220 on February 18, 2017, 01:51:35 AM ---There's not multiple Antifa's, there's one, which is Antifa, if people don't agree with it then they don't support it, so the ones that do support it do incite violence and the harming of others, for example look at that European reporter who tried to do a news piece in front of one of their hangouts, they were chased out all the way to their car blocks away while having bottles thrown at them, and then look at the $100,000 in damages in Berkeley.
Also calling something a movement does not remove it's negative connotation.
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I already said that it's a negative connotation. Just because something is a negative connotation doesn't mean you have the power to completely change the united states' legal system to declare an ideology as terrorism.
either way, the only 'antifa' entity i've ever seen is the anti fascist network, which already on its own website states that the grassroots groups are working independently to stop fascism, not as a collective. There are antifa groups across the world, all over europe and in the united states. unlike a real legal terrorist group, its just a bunch of independently acting groups that are protesting in both nonviolent and violent forms. The nonviolent ones are clearly organized, while the violent ones are random people who break into a mob or show up separate from the others and cause violence.
the attack at the milo thing and that stinkbomb incident are probably domestic terrorism under our legal system, but there's no connection between the two besides the fact that they were committed by people who fly the same flag.
Rally:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on February 18, 2017, 01:41:29 AM ---if there's a group under the same name that organizes violent riots for the sake of spreading fear or putting down free speech, then by all means consider them a terrorist organization- i just havent seen it yet.
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do they have to post it on twitter or the front page of google for you to see it
hundreds of people didn't just show up at Milo's event to burn stuff of their own random volition, that stuff was organized, and it can't be excused because some of them were just willfully enabling it instead of participating