[NEWS] Republican Obamacare replacement to leave 52 million uninsured

[otto-san]

To get back on topic? What does it matter? Health care isn't a right and taxing people for not having it is ludicrous. The vast majority of people haven't used obamacare once since its been implemented. Sure some people would be lost without it, but this is a whole vs part issue.

with healthcare as outrageously expensive as it is in america (i know this is determined largely by market forces, but it's still atrociously high for most people and it's not getting better with or without obamacare), people who are poor and uninsured are incredibly vulnerable and there's nothing they can do about it. there's no debate about "more responsible spending" or not buying a new iphone, if you don't have insurance and you get seriously injured or ill, the most likely situation for a poor person is that they don't get treatment, and in all likelihood, probably still have to pay for their hospital room. additionally, if you can't afford treatment early, you put it off. if you put it off, the problem gets worse. if the problem gets worse, the necessary treatment gets worse. if it gets so bad that you end up in the hospital, then there are a few things that happen here. for one, you're stuck with a severe health problem that you can't afford to fix. additionally, you're placing a burden on public healthcare systems anyway by ending up in a hospital room you can't pay for.

leaving millions and millions of people without health insurance is irresponsible and inexcusable, and i expect that a lot of republicans in congress will agree. i don't agree with punishing people for not having insurance, but that one little trip is not nearly god damn enough to justify yanking affordable healthcare away from millions of people who otherwise couldn't afford treatment.

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[Corderlain]

All of that is great and all, but it's not a right. This country worked perfectly fine without required healthcare for a long while. Now we tax people who don't need it to help people who do. Which is insane.

[Nonnel]

i can understand removing the ACA but to do it so abruptly is absurd

[otto-san]

All of that is great and all, but it's not a right. This country worked perfectly fine without required healthcare for a long while. Now we tax people who don't need it to help people who do. Which is insane.

fundamentally, do you think people who can't afford health insurance should be forced to deal with their problems on their own, or should they be able to get help, or something else entirely?

[Corderlain]

How so? People will get along the same way they did 10 years ago.

fundamentally, do you think people who can't afford health insurance should be forced to deal with their problems on their own, or should they be able to get help?

Health care isn't a right. If you can't pay for your chips you don't get to walk out of Walmart with them. You don't get to charge other people for them.

[otto-san]

Health care isn't a right. If you can't pay for your chips you don't get to walk out of Walmart with them. You don't get to charge other people for them.

that doesn't answer my question. healthcare isn't a luxury, it's a necessity to survival. if you have treatable cancer but can't afford to fix it, and would otherwise die, what are you supposed to do?

[McZealot]

I'm not trolling, and you made yourself look dumb by skimming over his valid point like that, you very well could have said that it's off topic in the first place otherwise we wouldn't be having this dumb discussion.

jesus christ you're for real. for the same reason it would be loving annoying if I start ranting about veganism in a random thread it's also a bit weird when poliwhirl complains about tony in a thread he hasn't even touched. I really don't understand how this is so hard to grasp

[PhantOS]

All of that is great and all, but it's not a right. This country worked perfectly fine without required healthcare for a long while. Now we tax people who don't need it to help people who do. Which is insane.

Where is your proof that this country 'worked perfectly fine' before the ACA? Do you have statistics and records that show that poor families suffered less back then?

Just because you, your family and neighborhood and friends functioned perfectly fine before 2011 doesn't mean other people did. It's this kind of really misguided anecdote i see you using on the regular, and it doesn't really justify/prove/validate anything.

Health care isn't a right. If you can't pay for your chips you don't get to walk out of Walmart with them. You don't get to charge other people for them.

So loving what if it isn't a right? it's a government institution that helps millions of people essentially survive. If your philosophy is remove anything that isn't a right, this country would be a stuffhole

Freedom from slavery wasn't a right until Abraham Lincoln came through. You could've used the same argument of 'it's not a right' back then to justify enslaving human beings for your own benefit.

[Maxwell.]

jesus christ you're for real. for the same reason it would be loving annoying if I start ranting about veganism in a random thread it's also a bit weird when poliwhirl complains about tony in a thread he hasn't even touched. I really don't understand how this is so hard to grasp

Do you miss everyones points? You seem to be under the impression that I'm arguing against it being off topic- I'm not, you just should have said that it's off topic instead of making it look like you didn't know what he was talking about. Then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Corderlain]

that doesn't answer my question. healthcare isn't a luxury, it's a necessity to survival. if you have treatable cancer but can't afford to fix it, and would otherwise die, what are you supposed to do?

Take out a loan or did.

[PhantOS]

Take out a loan or did.

And then watch your credit score go to hell and say goodbye to owning any automobile or property for the rest of your life.

If you can't afford cancer surgery, you can't afford to pay back the loan you'd take out to treat it.

[otto-san]

Take out a loan or did.

this isn't a viable option for many low-income families, and anyways, your fate shouldn't be determined by how much financial institutions trust you. if your only option is to take out a loan to survive, then it's incredibly easy to be abused by these institutions and be stuck for the rest of your stuffty life paying off loan after loan that you had to take out to keep on living. this is not an adequate solution. bear in mind as well, if this becomes common recommended practice, interest rates will increase as a result, and if an industry is made out of it, it's very likely there will be a premium rate there as well.

[Zloff]

And then watch your credit score go to hell and say goodbye to owning any automobile or property for the rest of your life.

just gonna throw it out there that uh your credit score actually goes up if you pay on time

[shamester]

Why do we even need a Healthcare system? Leave me the forget alone and let me pay for what I want to pay for.

[PhantOS]

just gonna throw it out there that uh your credit score actually goes up if you pay on time

how the forget are you going to pay off a loan that costs 5x more than you make in a year?

Why do we even need a Healthcare system? Leave me the forget alone and let me pay for what I want to pay for.

Because there are millions of americans who don't have the luxury to 'pay what they want to pay for' since they don't have enough money to do so.

If I didn't have affordable health care I probably wouldn't be alive anymore because the hospitalizing asthma attacks i've had in my life have totaled up to around $20,000, which is more than my dad has saved up in his last 10 years of working