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transloveuality as a mental disability - discussion
Ninja Decoy:
--- Quote from: :egg: on March 22, 2017, 01:08:45 AM ---His point is whether you are homoloveual or not it isn't impossible to not give into loveual desires. Those desires being actually having love and so forth. You can be attracted to something sure. But you can resist going out of your way to forget it. He's also not saying that homoloveuality is choice. He's saying that the loveual act is a choice. People who are born straight can make the choice of whether or not they want to make love to partner and so forth.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Planr.
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Except he pretty much said in the above post that he things homoloveuality as a whole is a choice, not just the act of love.
Nonnel:
--- Quote from: Planr on March 22, 2017, 01:05:22 AM ---being forced to go through with it by others and choosing to do it on your own accord are two different things. for people who don't want to change, then sure, they won't change.
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is there any real reason for them to "change"
:egg::
--- Quote from: Pecon on March 22, 2017, 01:06:34 AM --- It's not a choice if you're born with it, and there are zero scientifically proven methods to remove the desires of homoloveuals or those with gender dysphoria.
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It is impossible to remove the desires or feelings. But it possible for the individual to resist the urges. Sure people who smoke have urges but no where near in the same sense. Smokers are those who have succumbed to the disease of addiction. Addiction is on a whole other realm and is completely different from loveuality.
--- Quote from: Ninja Decoy on March 22, 2017, 01:15:43 AM ---Except he pretty much said in the above post that he things homoloveuality as a whole is a choice, not just the act of love.
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Oh I see. Well that's stuff.
Planr:
--- Quote from: Pecon on March 22, 2017, 01:06:34 AM ---smokers weren't born with the urge to smoke. that only came about because they got addicted. Are you really this dense?
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neither are people born with the urge to be attracted to a certain gender. that only came about because of their upbringing.
scientists have searched tirelessly for decades to find the supposed "gay gene" and have not found it. they've found potential pointers, but nothing concrete.
case in point, I had classmates in my high school who were identical twin brothers. same DNA, same genes. one of them was completely straight, the other was flamboyantly gay.
--- Quote from: :egg: on March 22, 2017, 01:08:45 AM ---He's also not saying that homoloveuality is choice. He's saying that the loveual act is a choice. People who are born straight can make the choice of whether or not they want to make love to partner and so forth.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Planr.
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well i am saying that people choose what they want to be attracted to. if they didn't, there would be no reason for, say for example, advertising companies to make their product alluring in commercials. they want to produce in people the desire to buy their product. simply telling them to buy the product doesn't work. people can choose not to be attracted to the product by reading negative reviews about it, or simply not watching TV so they dont see the advertisement in the future.
i'll admit that a person's upbringing (where they largely can't control what they're exposed to) largely influences how they behave and act later on. for example, people with loveual special interestes often developed that special interest due to things they witnessed, heard about, or were involved in growing up. case in point, many homoloveual men have a childhood history of loveual abuse by other men.
--- Quote from: Nonnel on March 22, 2017, 01:16:12 AM ---is there any real reason for them to "change"
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religious reasons are obviously the primary reason. and yes, that is a real reason.
--- Quote from: :egg: on March 22, 2017, 01:16:37 AM ---It is impossible to remove the desires or feelings.
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it is though. there are documented cases of gay men who have successfully changed their loveual attractions to be attracted to women.
castrated men also have much less desire to have love with others, because of lack of testosterone (assuming they aren't taking testosterone treatment).
--- Quote from: :egg: on March 22, 2017, 01:16:37 AM ---Addiction is on a whole other realm and is completely different from loveuality.
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love addiction is a real thing.
Swollow:
homoloveuality and gender dysphoria are not a choice,
however despite how much information and experiences we provide and impart to you, in the end you won't change your view point and you surely will not change your ideals because that's what you were raised to believe, I take pity on your ignorance