explain the cultural integration of the confederate battle flag

[Nonnel]

It's an old symbol. Symbols gain meaning over time. Arguably it hasn't been long enough.
Horse stuff, the Swastika was in use long before Riddler and company. The flag was flown by tribals, that much can't be argued, but now it's pretty much meaningless. It's a piece of cloth. If you're going to get offended by it you're not wrong, just a hundred and fifty years late.

You don't have to be offended to recognize that anyone who flies the national socialist flag is probably an idiot.

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[Corderlain]

You don't have to be offended to recognize that anyone who flies the national socialist flag is probably an idiot.

If you think it's a national socialist flag you might be brainwashed. You really need to get out and experience the rest of the country outside of your safe space.

[OrkusBorkus]

If you think it's a national socialist flag you might be brainwashed. You really need to get out and experience the rest of the country outside of your safe space.

(((((echo chamber)))))

[Nonnel]

If you think it's a national socialist flag you might be brainwashed. You really need to get out and experience the rest of the country outside of your safe space.

He literally compared it to the national socialist flag, dumbass

[Tactical Nuke]

ya but then you look it up and read that half the states' secession declarations state its because they want their rights to own slaves

"they used it to advocate a thing I didn't like, therefore it is completely unjustified and crude to use under any context!!"

[Trogtor]

i can say from personal experience that anyone who flies the Confederate flag publicly is and will always be white trash rednecks.

this doesn't necessarily speak for the people who actually keep some sort of memorabilia from the confederate army, and notice how i just memorabilia. hell my grandpa had a painting in his house of confederate soldiers carrying the flag and he's not even close to that stereotype. i think it's important if you take pride in the confederacy to consider keeping it in a somewhat discreetly manner because even though they were impressive and even in your line of family, think about what wrong they were fighting for.

[Rabbot32]

I was saying that symbols can change meaning. The swastika is an old symbol that used to mean peace. It don't no more. The Battle Flag- read, BATTLE FLAG- has always meant one thing, but the original fliers are dead. It's not wrong if you're offended, you're still 150 years late, but it's lost its meaning. It's a flag representing a temper tantrum children threw over having their safety blanket taken away.

[SetGaming]

I was saying that symbols can change meaning. The swastika is an old symbol that used to mean peace. It don't no more. The Battle Flag- read, BATTLE FLAG- has always meant one thing, but the original fliers are dead. It's not wrong if you're offended, you're still 150 years late, but it's lost its meaning. It's a flag representing a temper tantrum children threw over having their safety blanket taken away.

i seriously don't think the confederate flag has changed meaning much more than: "confederates fighting for slaves" to "rednecks wanting to say tribal things and get away with it"

yeah i get that it's history and all but when you're flying a flag that people flew to advocate for slavery, in which most of the people who still fly it today advocate for racism to an extent, it's still going to have a similar meaning in prejudice one way or another

and no i'm not saying that just because you fly a confederate flag that you're a tribal, but putting up and flying an obvious sign of prejudice then you're going to get some weird looks at least - the confederate flag looks awfully tacky for people who say that they're in support of free rights for everyone when the flag was advocating quite otherwise for many years

also not saying that you should ban the flag or anything, that's ridiculous (free speech) but it stilll looks incredibly weird in an era where we're beyond slavery and such political tactics - i don't think i've gone one time without seeing a confederate flag that wasn't on the back of a white truck with a huge liftkit and "don't tread on me flags" included

i can say from personal experience that anyone who flies the Confederate flag publicly is and will always be white trash rednecks.

this doesn't necessarily speak for the people who actually keep some sort of memorabilia from the confederate army, and notice how i just memorabilia. hell my grandpa had a painting in his house of confederate soldiers carrying the flag and he's not even close to that stereotype. i think it's important if you take pride in the confederacy to consider keeping it in a somewhat discreetly manner because even though they were impressive and even in your line of family, think about what wrong they were fighting for.

is a perfect example imo of keeping these kinds of pieces of history

[ultimamax]

Regardless of whatever excuse you have for flying it, you're 100% a loving dumbass for pretending it doesn't hold a tribal connotation for millions of people, and you're almost certainly a dumbass if you fly it at all.

[Decepticon]

the 'confederate flag'  that many know of today is an invention of the 20th century, post-war. as you can guess/see, it's very similar to the northern virginia army which was commanded by robert e lee

the 'confederate flag' for decades after the civil war was a very solemn object and symbol, as far as i know it was only taken out during times of memorial or remembrance. later on/further into the early-mid 1900s, the flag was also used (especially in WW2) by the US army for some units (which i believe just adds to the historical value even more) then, come the 1950's, there was a flag 'fad' (hell, iirc the fad reached europe too i think?) the 'confederate flag' became a symbol of general rebellion in our/the US south's pop culture, this was essentially rebellion over any and everything, without a really set political purpose as much as i can tell. it wasn't really until the civil rights movements in the 60's that the flag began to become a symbol of reaction. the kool kids klub would occasionally trot out the 'confederate flag' as if it were their own but that wasn't really mainstream by any means

as for the cause of the american civil war that i'm seeing brought up occasionally here, that's an entirely different topic. slavery was definitely a big part of it, don't get me wrong, but there's still more depth to it

[ultimamax]

perhaps the most damning case against the "states rights" argument is how narrow of a scope the confederate battle flag actually covers - it wasn't the strongest symbol of the confederacy in the first place. it was appropriated to have a different meaning than what people like to tote.

[SWAT One]

Because the American flag looks loving stupid whereas the Confederate flag is nice and symmetrical.

This is the only legitimate argument for it, speaking as a vexillology nut.

[IkeTheGeneric]

Honestly speaking, Corderlain is just out of touch. Most people I know from here down to Tennessee started flying confederate flags after the controversy. It's not an icon of anything except a knee-jerk reaction to the recent social landscape.

The only thing it means to the people flying it is that the libruls get whiny about it. If you try to argue that there's anything more to it, then you're either hilariously out of the know, or you're a dumbass.

[Corderlain]

You're obviously the expert on this. That's why it's been a cultural symbol for the past 100 years.

[Decepticon]

it represents southern and white nationalism. it's flown by handicaps.

i don't care if people fly them. those who do are just letting me know there's a 90% chance that they'll annoy me and have a dumb accent

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Regardless of whatever excuse you have for flying it, you're 100% a loving dumbass for pretending it doesn't hold a tribal connotation for millions of people, and you're almost certainly a dumbass if you fly it at all.

If you try to argue that there's anything more to it, then you're either hilariously out of the know, or you're a dumbass.