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[NEWS] Confederate monuments are being torn down in the South
Rigel:
the south will fall again
Wesley Williams:
--- Quote from: Nonnel on April 26, 2017, 11:01:58 AM ---But like I said, they're not being destroyed, they're going to be put elsewhere (like a museum) where they can be put in proper context rather than be seen as commemorations to the people they depict.
Jefferson Davis. For Lee, pretend I said some national socialist general. Case in point, they're high ranking leaders of a country that was built specifically so that slavery and systematic racism could stay strong.
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You act like the North didn't also own slaves. Many of the people that owned slaves were kind to them and it was somewhat like being a part of the family. Look at Thomas Jefferson or just all the presidents on our money, depictions in the Song of the South etc. It was something that had become a part of everyday life and the American economy, so freeing your slaves would put you at a distinct disadvantage to those plantations that maintained slaves. Obviously nobody thinks slavery was a good thing looking back on it, but had you been around during that time I highly doubt you would equate it to the methodical genocide of the Jewish people.
Inb4 somebody accuses me of supporting slavery
--- Quote ---When Virginia declared its secession from the Union in April 1861, Lee chose to follow his home state, despite his personal desire for the country to remain intact and an offer of a senior Union command.
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--- Quote ---They believed that slavery existed because God willed it and they thought it would end when God so ruled. The time and the means were not theirs to decide, conscious though they were of the ill-effects of Bro slavery on both races. Lee shared these convictions of his neighbors without having come in contact with the worst evils of African bondage. He spent no considerable time in any state south of Virginia from the day he left Fort Pulaski in 1831 until he went to Texas in 1856. All his reflective years had been passed in the North or in the border states. He had never been among the blacks on a cotton or rice plantation. At Arlington, the servants had been notoriously indolent, their master's master. Lee, in short, was only acquainted with slavery at its best, and he judged it accordingly. At the same time, he was under no illusion regarding the aims of the Abolitionists or the effect of their agitation.
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Totally a national socialist.
Ipquarx:
If the monuments are being put in a museum instead... Well honestly that's even better than them being strewn randomly about the town, imo.
e-maxx:
I don't have an issue with them going in a museum but imo If they were in a historic part of town they should of stayed
Nonnel:
--- Quote from: Wesley Williams on April 26, 2017, 12:42:10 PM ---You act like the North didn't also own slaves. Many of the people that owned slaves were kind to them and it was somewhat like being a part of the family. Look at Thomas Jefferson or just all the presidents on our money, depictions in the Song of the South etc. It was something that had become a part of everyday life and the American economy, so freeing your slaves would put you at a distinct disadvantage to those plantations that maintained slaves. Obviously nobody thinks slavery was a good thing looking back on it, but had you been around during that time I highly doubt you would equate it to the methodical genocide of the Jewish people.
Inb4 somebody accuses me of supporting slavery
Totally a national socialist.
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The Union wasn't built specifically to support slavery, the Confederate States were. The presidents who owned slaves were wrong for doing so, but slavery was largely unchallenged when they did. The South seceded when there was a large anti-slavery sentiment across the States, when human rights were beginning to be considered much more important, but they continued to own slaves anyway. They continued to fight for their right to treat human beings as property.
Also how does that quote contradict anything? If he's helping lead the fight for the Confederates, then he is just as bad as everything they support.