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| [NEWS] Confederate monuments are being torn down in the South |
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| Wesley Williams:
--- Quote from: Nonnel on April 26, 2017, 01:12:03 PM ---The Union wasn't built specifically to support slavery, the Confederate States were. The presidents who owned slaves were wrong for doing so, but slavery was largely unchallenged when they did. The South seceded when there was a large anti-slavery sentiment across the States, when human rights were beginning to be considered much more important, but they continued to own slaves anyway. They continued to fight for their right to treat human beings as property. --- End quote --- It was far easier for the North, whose economy wasn't based around agriculture, to declare slavery illegal. I'm sure many in the South viewed it as a political move by the North to gain further power in government over the South. Of course, I'm no historian and didn't live during the time, so gauging the general opinion of people in the South is difficult. --- Quote from: Nonnel on April 26, 2017, 01:12:03 PM ---If he's helping lead the fight for the Confederates, then he is just as bad as everything they support. --- End quote --- Now there's a blanket statement for you. I think the fact that he was offered a position in Union command shows the respect that the North had for him and that he is hardly the terrible, villainous person modern day liberal historians would have you believe. It's similar to the rift between Democrats and Republicans. People jump straight to demonizing and generalizing the other side despite the vast spectrum between political opinions and how we are all ultimately citizens that want the best for ourselves and our country. |
| Foopster:
"this history contradicts my beliefs, so i better rewrite history to be more like my beliefs!" Ignorance is strength. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. |
| otto-san:
i don't think at all that this is some revisionist liberal scheme to make people forget about the confederacy. that seems about the opposite of what a scheming revisionist liberal would want. these monuments weren't there as a grave reminder of the human rights violations of the confederacy, they were made in a time where people wanted to celebrate it. now, i don't give a personal h*ck if some dumb statue erected to honor those brave souls who fought to keep people as property from the 1800s is sitting around in my city somewhere, because i know that the cultural landscape is way different now, and those statues no longer bear the same relevance as they did when they were made. but i also understand that to many people, these statues represent a past where people were unfairly subjugated, stripped of their rights, and treated as subhumans by the governments they were under, and it makes sense to me that people don't want to see that past glorified with grandiose statues that commemorate the individuals who fought tooth and nail to keep that rule in place. |
| Nonnel:
I looked into it and the removed statue, the Liberty Monument, is actually pretty horrible. It was made after the Battle of Liberty Place to commemorate the white supremacist group, the White League, who tried to rebel against the New Orleans government. Here's the original inscription: |
| Poliwhirl:
--- Quote from: Foopster on April 26, 2017, 02:16:57 PM ---"this history contradicts my beliefs, so i better rewrite history to be more like my beliefs!" Ignorance is strength. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. --- End quote --- are you just saying stuff just to say it, or was this supposed to mean something in this context |
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