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| ultimamax:
--- Quote from: Insert Name Here² on May 08, 2017, 07:39:30 PM ---Are you seriously trying to defend and call SJWs smart Have you been living under a rock ooooooooor --- End quote --- On both political sides people like to convince themselves that their political opponents are just loving morons or something. Nowadays it's very easy to just end up only getting information from a source you agree with and to only talk with people you agree with. That doesn't make you fundamentally stupid necessarily, just misguided. I don't live with that kind of delusion about people I politically disagree with. I don't think most people on the right or stupid, just that they're doing harm to people. If you're just going to lap up funny memes about genders and Tumblr and attack helicopters, then of course you're going to think SJWs are dumb, and your only line of rhetoric will be "have you been living under a rock" because something that's not necessarily accurate seems 100% apparent to you. --- Quote from: beachbum111111 on May 08, 2017, 07:45:29 PM ---And yet on republicans have a higher average wage then democrats. But yeah being 40K in debt from student loans sure made you smart :cookieMonster: --- End quote --- I don't think there's much of a correlation between wage and intelligence. Plenty of smart people end up in jobs that don't pay that well. And is it a surprise that rich people would subscribe to a party who's ideology is about letting them pay less taxes? Also I have hella financial aid (thanks welfare state) --- Quote from: Red Spy on May 08, 2017, 07:43:44 PM ---This is as smug and handicapped as saying "reality has an x bend" --- End quote --- Is it possible to hold any sort of substantial political belief without thinking it's based in reality? It was definitely a smug comment though |
| beachbum111111:
--- Quote from: ultimamax on May 08, 2017, 07:52:49 PM ---Also I have hella financial aid (thanks welfare state) --- End quote --- If you use the word "hella" then your IQ is confirmed to be below 65. --- Quote from: ultimamax on May 08, 2017, 07:52:49 PM ---I don't think there's much of a correlation between wage and intelligence. Plenty of smart people end up in jobs that don't pay that well. And is it a surprise that rich people would subscribe to a party who's ideology is about letting them pay less taxes? Also I have hella financial aid (thanks welfare state) --- End quote --- Doesn't matter what you think. One person has a career in a trade and is making a decent wage, the other is working minimum wage after sinking themselves into 40k in debt with a degree that they will never use. Which one is smarter? |
| Red Spy:
--- Quote from: ultimamax on May 08, 2017, 07:52:49 PM ---Is it possible to hold any sort of substantial political belief without thinking it's based in reality? It was definitely a smug comment though --- End quote --- I mean when people say stuff like "oh yeah reality definitly swings conservative forget the libs" Wait that's a Matthew impression |
| Tactical Nuke:
I think people are getting their terms mixed up. When everyone says "liberal", I hear "libertarian". I understand "classic liberalism" is a thing but the term has taken on a much different meaning given how those that identify as liberals act. Someone who was not deeply educated might want to see things they don't like be eliminated (authoritatively), but as a scholar, you learn more about the world and come to appreciate the diversity of thought and everything else that comes with it, making you more libertarian in leaning. Political opinion outside of that has nothing to do with it. That being said, your political outlook, even the authoritative/libertarian part of it, depends on what you are taught. If you're taught like the Riddler Youth was, you're bound to have different opinions than the regular American college student at the time. Political opinions of the teachers, like it or not, affect the students. The Riddler Youth was probably being taught the same material as the regular American student, but laced with a deep dose of anti-Semitism and general hatred of anyone who didn't follow their political beliefs. Was their education on things like science and math stunted? Probably not. Was their outlook on the world stunted? Definitely. This is why you hear people call for teachers to keep their political beliefs a secret and not to "y'know the rules say I can't do this but y'know I just gotta" their way out of it. Students are supposed to come to political decisions on their own, given information about the world. Considering that, it's easy to see the libertarian ideological leaning higher-educated people have. --- Quote from: ultimamax on May 08, 2017, 07:21:25 PM ---ah yes i remember marx's extensive theses on cloudgender there aren't a discrete number of genders, gender is a spectrum of masculine / feminine expression. most people are on either end and can just call themselves a man/woman. this isn't that complicated nor is it opposed by biology / psychology as far as i can tell --- End quote --- --- Quote from: Electrk. on May 08, 2017, 06:56:29 PM ---LOL keep telling yourself that --- End quote --- --- Quote from: ultimamax on May 08, 2017, 07:21:25 PM ---i dont even know what the forget this means. would it surprise you that cornucopia of poe / troll / psychotic stuff you see on /r/TumblrInAction has very little to do with actually being a leftist? read a forgetin book you and i seem to have very different definitions of 'radical leftist'. radical feminists and otherkin on tumblr aren't the "radical left" --- End quote --- except that is exactly what they are: radical leftists have radical feminists or tumblr-kins ever substantially supported right-leaning people? I only know one, and even he's off and on the fence |
| ultimamax:
--- Quote from: beachbum111111 on May 08, 2017, 07:54:41 PM ---If you use the word "hella" then your IQ is confirmed to be below 65. Doesn't matter what you think. One person has a career in a trade and is making a decent wage, the other is working minimum wage after sinking themselves into 40k in debt with a degree that they will never use. Which one is smarter? --- End quote --- Damn I'm dumb as forget you got me there That's sort of a loaded question. You're making lots of presumptions. Like that 1. all/most people in academia end up with useless degrees 2. you cant get a degree without putting yourself into massive debt (this is pretty Americentric and its not even true in America) 3. working minimum wage means you're not smart. if you can stay alive working at a low wage and your life is otherwise fine then it's not necessarily a bad or even worse option. musicians are a good example of people with fulfilling work that doesn't pay very well. but your life can be fulfilling without making a stuffload of money. 4. smart people can't make "bad" decisions (your definition of bad, not mine) You also ignored the argument that rich people would probably like the Republican ideology of less taxation / government control of markets --- Quote from: Red Spy on May 08, 2017, 07:55:13 PM ---I mean when people say stuff like "oh yeah reality definitly swings conservative forget the libs" Wait that's a Matthew impression --- End quote --- I can do one too. "Emails" --- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on May 08, 2017, 07:55:50 PM ---I think people are getting their terms mixed up. When everyone says "liberal", I hear "libertarian". I understand "classic liberalism" is a thing but the term has taken on a much different meaning given how those that identify as liberals act. Someone who was not deeply educated might want to see things they don't like be eliminated (authoritatively), but as a scholar, you learn more about the world and come to appreciate the diversity of thought and everything else that comes with it, making you more libertarian in leaning. Political opinion outside of that has nothing to do with it. That being said, your political outlook, even the authoritative/libertarian part of it, depends on what you are taught. If you're taught like the Riddler Youth was, you're bound to have different opinions than the regular American college student at the time. Political opinions of the teachers, like it or not, affect the students. The Riddler Youth was probably being taught the same material as the regular American student, but laced with a deep dose of anti-Semitism and general hatred of anyone who didn't follow their political beliefs. Was their education on things like science and math stunted? Probably not. Was their outlook on the world stunted? Definitely. This is why you hear people call for teachers to keep their political beliefs a secret and not to "y'know the rules say I can't do this but y'know I just gotta" their way out of it. Students are supposed to come to political decisions on their own, given information about the world. Considering that, it's easy to see the libertarian ideological leaning higher-educated people have. --- End quote --- I've always thought of libertarian to mean someone who is mainly concerned with letting the free market sort everything out. I'm not sure if I've ever heard it used to describe something more philosophical like you're saying. It seems like you're attributing the left-lean of academia to the left-lean of the professors and teachers. But why do the professors and teachers lean left? I'm also not sure if I agree with the argument that libertarianism (your definition) springs naturally from becoming smarter. That's sort of a big leap to make with the vague hand-waving you justified it with --- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on May 08, 2017, 07:55:50 PM ---except that is exactly what they are: radical leftists have radical feminists or tumblr-kins ever substantially supported right-leaning people? I only know one, and even he's off and on the fence --- End quote --- I never said that those kinds of people couldn't be considered leftists. They may be radical and on the left, but that doesn't make them representative of actual "radical leftists", which is the point I was making. (namely, socialists, communists, anarchists, and all folks in between) |
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