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"See how machine learning is helping us tackle gender bias in movies."
Alteration:
--- Quote from: ultimamax on May 16, 2017, 10:46:06 PM ---I would argue the lead from Rogue One (so unmemorable I don't know her name) was very flat / with weak motivation
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Personally I thought she had a very Han Solo "reluctant hero" vibe. She starts apathetic to the plight of the rebels but becomes more sympathetic over the course of the movie. The only thing is that she had to develop that personality quickly because she's in one movie, VS Han Solo getting 3 full movies to flesh out a natural character development. But to each his own.
Either way, I'd still rather have a character that has weak motivation than a character that's entire personality is "I'm a girl/black man/etc" (not that Rey is that, she's just a Mary Sue).
ReddBoi:
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DrenDran:
They say a lot about how there's a disparity and how women don't want to go into science but they never prove causation.
McZealot:
I'm not sure what's wrong with this. They created a pretty cool bot that checks movies for gender roles based on facial recognition. Yea, the film industry is loveist--and making graphs about male/female breakdown is fine. However, it's not totally fair to say every case of a male-dominated film is loveist. 'Crime' is male dominated because most serious criminals are males. Historical films or films set in the past are male dominated because we didn't really attempt to treat women equally until the 70s-80s. (Feminism started prior to this of course, but wasn't really accepted by the masses.)
Also Master Mathew is a loving handicap. Rey and Jyn aren't any Mary Sues--they're literally generic fantasy protagonists. If they were male characters you wouldn't bat an eye. Luke is way worse than either of them.
DrenDran:
--- Quote from: McZealot on May 17, 2017, 12:23:30 AM ---I'm not sure what's wrong with this. They created a pretty cool bot that checks movies for gender roles based on facial recognition. Yea, the film industry is loveist--and making graphs about male/female breakdown is fine. However, it's not totally fair to say every case of a male-dominated film is loveist. 'Crime' is male dominated because most serious criminals are males. Historical films or films set in the past are male dominated because we didn't really attempt to treat women equally until the 70s-80s.
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I mean horror fantasy sci-fi and comedy are all basically 50% female speaking time as well.
--- Quote from: McZealot on May 17, 2017, 12:23:30 AM ---Also Master Mathew is a loving handicap. Rey and Jyn aren't any Mary Sues--they're literally generic fantasy protagonists. If they were male characters you wouldn't bat an eye. Luke is way worse than either of them.
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It's still the case you have to be far more careful giving a women actual human flaws lest you be seen as loveist.