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| Rally:
--- Quote from: Poliwhirl on May 17, 2017, 11:20:43 PM ---what training has he undergone offscreen to be able to suddenly overpower darth vader in the third movie, something he failed to do previously? --- End quote --- He trained with Kenobi most likely between the two movies. And when you actually consider the final duel between Luke and Vader, it's largely emotional. We see that Luke is relatively out-matched, or at-least unable to defeat Vader in the context provided. It's only when Vader purposely enrages Luke does he receive the power to overwhelm Vader, this power obviously coming from the bogan, which is known for it's extreme combat efficiency. Tricking Luke into abusing this power was essentially the goal the entire time. And hey at-least he failed the first time lol. His first defeat comes after extensive training with Yoda, and even as a particularly powerful force sensitive this is not enough to defeat Vader and ends up getting his forgetin arm chopped off by his own father and failing to rescue Han. It really gives you that sense of exactly how difficult it is to master and control the force, and how Luke is powerful enough to hold his own against Vader but hasn't worked hard enough to actually defeat him. --- Quote from: Poliwhirl on May 17, 2017, 11:20:43 PM ---why does luke know how to fly a ship so well that he outperforms other rebel fighters? --- End quote --- I think there was a deleted scene where one of the rebel commanders refers to Luke has the "best bush pilot in the outer rim territories" or something. This is pretty lazy writing though and that's why they brought it up in the comics showing Luke flying orbital craft on Tattooine. This hobby was even secretly supported by Kenobi because he knew it was going to come in handy. "It'll be just like beggar's canyon back home!" |
| Awasp:
All these people talking about how Rey did this or did that without experience. The force is a literal plot tool that lets the writers put practically anything in the story and still have it be possible in the realm of the world they created. You can literally explain anything in the movies by hand waving it away with the force. You can survive death by becoming a force ghost if your proficient enough. And then people question how Rey does certain things, it's because she's force sensitive which means you should suspend you belief when she does anything seemingly impossible. People keep trying to explain the force in depth while forgetting that it's main use is a plot device to handwave things in the story, not to be something the story revolves around. It just so happens that the plot tool is used practically everywhere in the story. |
| Alteration:
--- Quote from: Awasp on May 18, 2017, 12:08:45 PM ---All these people talking about how Rey did this or did that without experience. The force is a literal plot tool that lets the writers put practically anything in the story and still have it be possible in the realm of the world they created. You can literally explain anything in the movies by hand waving it away with the force. You can survive death by becoming a force ghost if your proficient enough. And then people question how Rey does certain things, it's because she's force sensitive which means you should suspend you belief when she does anything seemingly impossible. People keep trying to explain the force in depth while forgetting that it's main use is a plot device to handwave things in the story, not to be something the story revolves around. It just so happens that the plot tool is used practically everywhere in the story. --- End quote --- Force sensitive is not the same thing as Force proficient. Why do you think there are padawans, knights, and masters, as well as entire temples (Old Republic and New) dedicated to it? You can be Force sensitive but you have to teach Force proficiency. Luke had Obi-Wan teach him things while they were flying to Alderaan. Rey had nobody teach her anything about the Force yet somehow knows about mind tricks and telepathic blocking in a galaxy where the Jedi are a myth and on a world where the outside world pretty much doesn't exist. |
| c:
we here at google have seen EVERY movie and we determined with COMPITER SCIENCE that every movie is loveIST and bad |
| Conan:
the derailment is real but i love every minute of it have to strongly agree with tacnuke and rally here: rey's character experienced hardly any growth - it felt like one of those hardy boy/nancy drew books where people do things but don't actually get impacted by what they experience. or using another brown townogy: it felt like someone changing jobs - adapting to the new work environment, but not changing as a person in any way |
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