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--- Quote from: Conan on May 18, 2017, 03:46:17 PM ---the derailment is real but i love every minute of it have to strongly agree with tacnuke and rally here: rey's character experienced hardly any growth - it felt like one of those hardy boy/nancy drew books where people do things but don't actually get impacted by what they experience. or using another brown townogy: it felt like someone changing jobs - adapting to the new work environment, but not changing as a person in any way --- End quote --- So like Final Fantasy Tactics. Ramza was never trained to be a monk. |
| Tactical Nuke:
--- Quote from: Conan on May 18, 2017, 03:46:17 PM ---the derailment is real but i love every minute of it --- End quote --- we're talking about gender bias in movies so that isn't really derailment it's clear Rey and Jyn were both chosen because they were female you can see it in the stufftiness of their characters |
| Rally:
--- Quote from: Awasp on May 18, 2017, 12:08:45 PM ---All these people talking about how Rey did this or did that without experience. The force is a literal plot tool that lets the writers put practically anything in the story and still have it be possible in the realm of the world they created. You can literally explain anything in the movies by hand waving it away with the force. You can survive death by becoming a force ghost if your proficient enough. And then people question how Rey does certain things, it's because she's force sensitive which means you should suspend you belief when she does anything seemingly impossible. People keep trying to explain the force in depth while forgetting that it's main use is a plot device to handwave things in the story, not to be something the story revolves around. It just so happens that the plot tool is used practically everywhere in the story. --- End quote --- Just because the Force is a mythical concept that's left ambiguous on purpose, doesn't mean we should abuse the hell out of it to make stuffty characters that are super great at everything without even having to try because "It's magic, I aint gotta explain stuff". We didn't have to do it in the original canon, why did we have to do it in TFA? Could it be because JJ Abrams is a stuff writer who put good story-telling in the backseat in order to force Rey's character? Even if Rey is the daughter of Luke, she'd be nowhere near as force-sensitive as Anakin was. That never stopped Anakin from having a character arc that didn't suck. Being force-sensitive doesn't automatically make you capable of expertly manipulating the force, and we've seen evidence of this in basically all the Star Wars movies before TFA. Also, saying the force isn't a major role in Star Wars and is solely there to 'handwave' stuff is super ignorant. Read the books. |
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