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Richard Spencer gets bulied by woman in gym, loses gym membership
ultimamax:
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on May 22, 2017, 01:56:28 AM ---Sounds like a bullstuff reason to revoke membership one way or the other. This is completely what I mean by throwing credibility out the window, this is just downright ridiculous.
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What's bullstuff about it? The gym had workers that weren't white, clearly, and it would be understandable that they'd be uncomfortable in Spencer's presence even if he's a "model gym-goer".
Seventh also captured an aspect of it I completely didn't think about, which is that having one of the biggest faces of white supremacy as a member of your gym is also just bad business
Deus Ex:
--- Quote from: LeisureSuit912 on May 22, 2017, 12:21:56 PM ---When your ideology calls for the destruction of other people's personal lives, I think that's when the line is crossed.
Also, stop with the "christians refusing to bake cakes" comparison. IT'S NOT THE SAME THING.
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Yes it is. You are refusing services to someone based on ideological disagreement. It's like kicking someone out of your restaurant for having MAGA hats. They may not be as egregious as Spencer's beliefs, but the point is, at what point are you going to put your foot down and say it's not okay for stuff like this to happen? Because if you're okay with this, then you'd have to be okay with people losing gym memberships because they believe in global warming. It's the same stuff. They aren't hurting anyone by having these beliefs. They aren't hurting anyone by expressing them. Free speech, at all times, or not at all.
Rally:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on May 22, 2017, 11:40:49 AM ---I don't know the legality of all this but refusing service because of someone's political or ideological beliefs is handicapped and considered censorship.
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This. Richard Spencer getting kicked out of a gym only represents an example of when the right to refuse service doesn't negatively impact a disaffected group. I think giving the owner of a business the right to refuse service to someone for any reason whatsoever is only going to open avenues for oppression in towns and cities where bigoted social tenancies are normalized. Throwing them under the bus isn't worth owning Richard Spencer on national news
otto-san:
--- Quote from: LeisureSuit912 on May 22, 2017, 12:21:56 PM ---When your ideology calls for the destruction of other people's personal lives, I think that's when the line is crossed.
Also, stop with the "christians refusing to bake cakes" comparison. IT'S NOT THE SAME THING.
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it is the same thing in a very particular sense: you're letting a business owner act as a moral arbitrator. if you allow businesses to be authoritative on what is and isn't acceptable, you immediately legitimize and create a pedestal for real discrimination. this is the fundamental problem with 'religious freedom' bills that allow business to do this, and the same principle does apply here. this is the sort of thing where a blanket statement on a particular ideology or trait is what's dangerous. the reality of the situation here is that this was not a blanket action, this was an action against a very specific individual for specific circumstances, and that is what makes this different. if a business has legitimate reason to believe that continuing to provide service to a customer will have a real negative impact on their business function, i would say it's very reasonable to deny service, and i get the impression that this is what happened here.
crazies alt:
even if richard is beaming with racism i dont think thats a valid reason to kick someone from your establishment