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Richard Spencer gets bulied by woman in gym, loses gym membership
Juncoph:
--- Quote from: Deus Ex on May 23, 2017, 07:34:11 AM ---I don't even understand why people have this idea that words are harmful? If Richard Spencer is saying something you don't like, then step out of audio range of him? Or better yet, you let him talk, then you refute his ideas the way it's supposed to go? Do his ideas even need to be refuted? Come on people, good christ.
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but my feels :c
Deus Ex:
Hurt feelings shouldn't be protected under any law at any time whatsoever
Darryl McKoy:
--- Quote from: Badspot on May 23, 2017, 07:35:15 AM ---Because if you make that argument, you pave the way for racially segregated businesses to come back. You cannot defend banning Spencer without supporting his cause.
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Good luck to any business that wants to adopt racial segregation. I support the freedom of businesses to deny service because if their position is radically different than that of the market they're in, it won't be economically sustainable.
That stance doesn't mean I'm supporting Spencer's cause, that's a long bow to draw even for you.
Badspot:
--- Quote from: Darryl McKoy on May 23, 2017, 08:16:07 AM ---Good luck to any business that wants to adopt racial segregation.
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So if racial segregation is completely impossible in today's market, why is Richard Spencer any kind of threat at all? How is he different than any other loon who talks about UFOs or jacks off to animals in his spare time?
otto-san:
--- Quote from: Deus Ex on May 23, 2017, 07:34:11 AM ---I don't even understand why people have this idea that words are harmful? If Richard Spencer is saying something you don't like, then step out of audio range of him? Or better yet, you let him talk, then you refute his ideas the way it's supposed to go? Do his ideas even need to be refuted? Come on people, good christ.
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i suppose you could argue that if you give white supremacists or national socialists a pedestal for debate, you run the risk of actually legitimizing their cause and giving them a means of reaching more people. ofc this is only something that's concerning if you think that an idea is morally detestable by default, which i think does tend to apply for white supremacy and national socialistsm. of course if you're talking about actual law, then yeah, suppressing anyone's speech in that sense is wrong, no matter how revolutionary, contradictory to mainstream culture, or morally reprehensible their ideas are
--- Quote from: Deus Ex on May 23, 2017, 07:44:01 AM ---Hurt feelings shouldn't be protected under any law at any time whatsoever
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things like harassment are criminal offenses because there is a point where speech actually does encroach on the liberties of others, but i'm assuming you're talking about much more minor cases
--- Quote from: Badspot on May 23, 2017, 08:42:52 AM ---So if racial segregation is completely impossible in today's market, why is Richard Spencer any kind of threat at all? How is he different than any other loon who talks about UFOs or jacks off to animals in his spare time?
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i think the difference would be that people like spencer are seeking power in government, where it'd be possible to actually implement harmful policy. either way, i do find the invisible hand argument silly; ideally i'd prefer that businesses don't have the legal license to discriminate on a whim. this idea that the market will sort everything out if people don't like the moral compass of a business is something we've already tried in the past, and we've proven that it doesn't work. if you have enough economic power, it might not even matter whether or not people like you, because you're either the only option or the best option available to them.