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Richard Spencer gets bulied by woman in gym, loses gym membership
OrangeMan²:
We just can't trust bigots to have rights. I think the state should ban national socialists from using the gym anyways so they dont get too strong
Deus Ex:
--- Quote from: otto-san on May 23, 2017, 08:51:27 AM ---i suppose you could argue that if you give white supremacists or national socialists a pedestal for debate, you run the risk of actually legitimizing their cause and giving them a means of reaching more people. ofc this is only something that's concerning if you think that an idea is morally detestable by default, which i think does tend to apply for white supremacy and national socialistsm. of course if you're talking about actual law, then yeah, suppressing anyone's speech in that sense is wrong, no matter how revolutionary, contradictory to mainstream culture, or morally reprehensible their ideas are
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IMO if white supremacy and national socialist political parties are legitimized, it's because the people on the other side of the debate are doing something really loving wrong. It's the lack of debate in general that's letting people like Richard Spencer gain a following. Shouting down and attempting to silence someone gives legitimacy to their views. Putting them on a platform with people who can provide counters to their ideas and shut them down via debate is the proper way of dealing with ideas we don't like.
Mouse droidz 21:
Let me just step in here on my beliefs. I'm Jewish and yes I get offended if someone is anti-semetic towards me or if they express that they are a national socialist on the internet and Jews should die or not live anymore or some stuff like that. However I do not think people should be attacked based on their beliefs unless they are causing a problem. If I walk on the street and someone comes up to me to attack me because I'm Jewish then we have a forgetin problem.
On Richard Spencer, he is a cunt and I've expressed how much I've hated him, I even remember saying in a thread once "he should have been stabbed to death" when an Antifa member punched him in the face. I got a lot of backlash from everyone, I agree with you all, that was wrong for me to say. But even if he tries to be the next Riddler or whatever he wants to pursue in politics, he will not get to that point anytime soon because of the amount of stuff he has said and done. No one likes him unless they are some white extremist who follows the kool kids klub and that's a very small amount of people in the United states, so why even bother debating this piece of stuff if he's going to go nowhere in life? let him do what he wants because queit frankly he's as low as a snake, he slithers on the surface with no point in life. He is meaningless.
Also he's comparable to the people at Westboro baptist church, who gives a stuff about them? no one, everyone hates them. The only thing that'll make these fools big is if they keep brainwashing future generations which is something they ultimatley fail at. There are so many people out there that don't like each other and are tribal, I've met tribal white people and tribal black people. But the more you think about it, will anyone want those people in a job? no. Will they succeed if they cannot accept other people in the world? no. And this is why Spencer gets this sort of treatment, because he hates minorities.
Was the gym in the right? sort of. They should have told Spencer to get out not verbally harass him. I agree with Ceist on this part, they should have revoked the woman as well as she seems like a person that will cause trouble in the future. You don't want a neo-national socialist representer at your gym in front of your clients, nor do you want a woman who wants to start fights in front of your clients. How no one agrees with Ceist on this part, I have no idea what you're trying to get at. However some people may argue against this as Spencer was simply living his life normally trying to exercise and wasn't causing any issues. If they have opinions like that and don't cause trouble in your workspace then I guess they shouldn't have revoked his membership. If they're doing what they want without causing harm to anyone, let them be. It's a bit of a difficult dicescion but if the buisness wants to do that then I guess he can just find another gym at the end of the day and leave that one.
In conclusion situations like this should be solved in a pacifist manner instead of harassing a person even if they're a piece of stuff. As long as that person with that opinion hasn't killed someone then just let them live their life, they have no effect on you, why do you care?
Rednakin:
--- Quote from: Badspot on May 23, 2017, 07:35:15 AM ---Because if you make that argument, you pave the way for racially segregated businesses to come back. You cannot defend banning Spencer without supporting his cause. It's an inherently hypocritical position. You can't just mindlessly try to score points any time someone on the "other team" gets fouled, you have to defend the integrity of the game.
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I mean if you can't control who you provide services to because any control could bring about racial segregation, should you stop moderating the forum then? If someone is being an starfish and spamming the forum, we should just tolerate that because banning them would set a precedent that any private forum admin can ban you from their forum because you behaved in a way the admin arbitrarily decided was wrong?
Punished Toxicology:
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