Author Topic: Richard Spencer gets bulied by woman in gym, loses gym membership  (Read 26539 times)

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Thing is I made it clear that in all seriousness despite being offended, I really don't give a stuff which is why I said that people shouldn't get attacked because of their beliefs. Spencer can say what he wants, I hate him but if he isn't attacking anyone and living his life as a normal human being then he shouldn't be revoked membership but then again if the gym thinks he's bad for buisness that's their choice

So if racial segregation is completely impossible in today's market, why is Richard Spencer any kind of threat at all?  How is he different than any other loon who talks about UFOs or jacks off to animals in his spare time?
You seem to be very confused. This isn't about us deciding what is and isn't a threat. It's about businesses having the freedom and autonomy to deny service to whoever they want based on their own political/moral stances.

You seem to be very confused
I think his point is that if Spencer get's revoked because of his beliefs then more gyms will start revoking whoever they please which is unfair

I think his point is that if Spencer get's revoked because of his beliefs then more gyms will start revoking whoever they please which is unfair
My point is that I'm perfectly ok with that happening. They should be able to choose who they provide service to.

IMO if white supremacy and national socialist political parties are legitimized, it's because the people on the other side of the debate are doing something really loving wrong. It's the lack of debate in general that's letting people like Richard Spencer gain a following. Shouting down and attempting to silence someone gives legitimacy to their views. Putting them on a platform with people who can provide counters to their ideas and shut them down via debate is the proper way of dealing with ideas we don't like.
yeah i get what you're saying, tho you have to keep in mind that inherently malevolent, prejudiced ideas like white supremacy don't thrive on reason, they thrive on fear mongering and mob thinking. giving people like this an audience lets them have a megaphone to plant these seeds of fear in a wider net of people, and they don't have to defend themselves rhetorically, they just have to cast reasonable enough doubt, and giving them a chance to lay out an argument for their prejudice that sounds good is enough to accomplish this. this is how any state-sponsored censorship or "boogeymanning" is done; you instill enough fear into the populace that they fall into line with a prejudiced ideology on their own.

having said all that, i'll stress that i'm mostly playing devil's advocate here. i don't see spencer as this much of a threat, and i don't mean to come across as dramatic or anything, but these are valid reasons to avoid publicizing the rhetoric of white supremacists. there's a long history in civilization of using media to drive people to a fabricated enemy with an us vs them mentality, and modern white supremacists are more than capable of causing this to happen again.

I think his point is that if Spencer get's revoked because of his beliefs then more gyms will start revoking whoever they please which is unfair
IIRC Spencer got a full refund for all the money he had given to the gym (which was like two months of membership I think) so it's not as though this is some clever loophole or whatever

Putting them on a platform with people who can provide counters to their ideas and shut them down via debate is the proper way of dealing with ideas we don't like.

Not according to handicaps like Poliwhirl.

I don't understand why Leasuresuit and Kimon arn't considered as bad as tony and matthew. They're just as bad or worse

i really don't think my initial message got across

this isn't just a matter of opinion

this is a matter of the work richard spencer has done to influence other members of our society, the influence he has directly propagates his hateful rhetoric

this is how people with already slightly bigoted views can feel like their hateful ideas are acceptable, and thus allow them to grow and become part of who they are, along with the rest of their views they already considered acceptable.

and if you can't see how that leads to events such as public racism, racial ostracization, and hate crimes, maybe some research into the civil rights march in selma in 1965 could give you some insight

tl;dr everyone is subject to public influence if the public influence supports their ideology



I thought this was a joke topic, wtf is happening here lol

i'm about to send a care package to ol' richard spence to bring his spirits ups

Jude detected

i really don't think my initial message got across

this isn't just a matter of opinion

this is a matter of the work richard spencer has done to influence other members of our society, the influence he has directly propagates his hateful rhetoric

this is how people with already slightly bigoted views can feel like their hateful ideas are acceptable, and thus allow them to grow and become part of who they are, along with the rest of their views they already considered acceptable.

and if you can't see how that leads to events such as public racism, racial ostracization, and hate crimes, maybe some research into the civil rights march in selma in 1965 could give you some insight

tl;dr everyone is subject to public influence if the public influence supports their ideology

Too bad literally noone likes national socialists
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