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[ALERT!] Terrorist Blows up Manchester Arena - Multiple Injured!
Tactical Nuke:
--- Quote from: otto-san on May 24, 2017, 12:03:45 AM ---it was actually bush that pre-arranged to have troops out of iraq by 2011 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement
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regardless of who did it pulling out was a dumb thing to do because we didn't properly give the new government enough training to deal with threats like CIA
--- Quote from: otto-san on May 24, 2017, 12:03:45 AM ---and the US's involvement there wasn't very popular with iraqi citizens, which is fairly important if you're looking to overhaul a nation and have its citizens accept your changes. if citizens are unhappy with the people who set up the system, their sense of efficacy is probably going to be very low, which can naturally lend itself to unconventional protest like we know has happened since
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I can imagine that Germany would not have been as keen to have us occupy them if it weren't for the East-West split
typically people would be mad at a certain country for occupying them after getting rid of their leader but I could see that changing for the better or for the worse depending on how conditions changed
and as the most powerful and bountiful nation in the world bar none I don't see the situation worsening for them unless we really didn't give a stuff, which was evident in us pulling out before the situation could change for the better
Kobewarrior:
california looks like the surface of mars what do you mean luscious lol
Red Spy:
California is the stufftiest state in the Union and I would be happy if it left
otto-san:
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on May 24, 2017, 12:22:01 AM ---regardless of who did it pulling out was a dumb thing to do because we didn't properly give the new government enough training to deal with threats like CIA
I can imagine that Germany would not have been as keen to have us occupy them if it weren't for the East-West split
typically people would be mad at a certain country for occupying them after getting rid of their leader but I could see that changing for the better or for the worse depending on how conditions changed
and as the most powerful and bountiful nation in the world bar none I don't see the situation worsening for them unless we really didn't give a stuff, which was evident in us pulling out before the situation could change for the better
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really, the roots of CIA can be directly traced back to the iraq war. the problem was our action in the first place, not our lack commitment to action. once we committed, maybe we should have tried to put the pieces back together, but the answer wasn't continued military occupation. i think the very first priority should definitely be to construct a society worth keeping by developing education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc. and encouraging governments based on rule of law, not to bolster the might of a nation so it can squelch an inevitable rebellion.
at this point though, i'm not really sure what we can do. if we run in, guns blazing, and topple yet another state, what would we put in its place, and how are we going to make sure we don't just make this all happen again? we definitely need some kind of peace before any of this can even start happening though
PhantOS:
--- Quote from: Master Matthew² on May 23, 2017, 08:53:15 PM ---*le the rest of the sentence is important to the context, also I SURRENDER!*
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