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| crazies alt:
--- Quote from: Master Matthew² on May 22, 2017, 11:42:52 PM ---Becoming a terrorist is a choice. --- End quote --- even more importantly, a choice between life and death |
| otto-san:
--- Quote from: Master Matthew² on May 22, 2017, 11:42:52 PM ---Why a criminal becomes a criminal is irrelevant, breaking a law is a choice. Becoming a terrorist is a choice. More importantly, this won't change anything now. --- End quote --- if that's the case, then it doesn't matter whether or not islam inspires terrorists, so the entire discussion is moot. this response seems to indicate that all you care about is that we take action against terrorists, however you also seem to be arguing that the primary inspiration for them is islam, and this second point is what i was addressing. |
| PhantOS:
--- Quote from: Master Matthew² on May 22, 2017, 11:42:52 PM ---Why a criminal becomes a criminal is irrelevant, breaking a law is a choice. Becoming a terrorist is a choice. More importantly, this won't change anything now. --- End quote --- being a terrorist is a choice, but being middle eastern isnt. This is why you should focus more on how we can deal with terrorism vs how can we deal with an ethnic group witha different set of beliefs |
| Alteration:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on May 22, 2017, 11:29:08 PM ---1) they are useful in specific situations, and for outlining trends. i dont mean to come off as 'these statistics dont fit my point of view' but using a small sample size to quantify beliefs of billions of humans isn't feasible --- End quote --- But those "billions of humans" are sharing the same basic religious beliefs. If you were to find that 80% of the ice cream in a town was vanilla flavored you could probably assume at least 40% of the ice cream in an entire county was vanilla, even if the overall sample size was small. I don't like generalizing people but these terrorist attacks are usually done by Islamic radicals. The statistics show that plain as day. It doesn't mean that all of them are hateful and radical because many of them are peaceful, but like otto-san said, the terrorists come mainly from underdeveloped/politically unstable countries where violence is often a part of the environment (as those statistics show). Those people are the violent ones and those are the people being brought over with genuine refugees and causing this kind of destruction. --- Quote from: PhantOS on May 22, 2017, 11:29:08 PM ---2) neo national socialists can believe in whatever they want because im okay with freedom of speech and opinion. im not okay with a neo national socialist shooting up a black church, but that doesnt mean i use it to justify some sort of punishment for the other 99% of neo national socialists not involved --- End quote --- I know many liberal (generally far-left) users support the whole "punch a national socialist" thing and I was wondering about your stance. Just seeing if you'd slip lol. --- Quote from: PhantOS on May 22, 2017, 11:47:05 PM ---being a terrorist is a choice, but being middle eastern isnt. This is why you should focus more on how we can deal with terrorism vs how can we deal with an ethnic group witha different set of beliefs --- End quote --- ^^^This is where I wish more right-wingers were sensitive to. Not all Arabs/Middle-easterners are Islamists in the same way not all white people are Christians, and dealing with an ethnic group is not equatable to dealing with a religion. |
| otto-san:
--- Quote from: Alteration on May 22, 2017, 11:47:57 PM ---but like otto-san said, the terrorists come mainly from underdeveloped countries where violent religious fanaticism is the norm (as those statistics show). --- End quote --- i know alteration is usually having a laugh when he posts in these discussions, but to be sure, this is a misrepresentation of what i was saying. my argument was that the climate of these regions incubate and give reason for individuals to become radicalized and resort to unconventional protest, not that this is simply acceptable behavior in these regions. the many thousands of regular people subject to those war-torn communities and nations would probably strongly disagree with that sentiment. |
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