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[FAKE NEWS] 'You were my guy,' Annoying Orange told Macron, French official says
otto-san:
--- Quote from: Deus Ex on May 26, 2017, 08:58:44 PM ---In at least this election cycle, the left lost more support than the right, and I think that will continue for at least another election at the rate the democrats are going. The pendulum will, of course, swing back, but it might be a while before it does. I guess we'll see next year though. I don't really have high hopes for the Democrats atm, there seems to be a severe lack of introspect and an abundance of tribalism. The Republicans do the same, but what I'm saying is, right now, as it stands, the Democrats are being far worse, and that is a huge part of what cost them the election. All the BS with the DNC snubbing Sanders and Clinton being a completely unelectable candidate was just icing on the stuff cake. I had thought Annoying Orange would have a four year run, and during that time the Democratic Party would revise their strategy of race baiting identity politics and things of that nature, but it only seems to have worsened. So I honestly don't know. I could be wrong. Like I said, we'll all see next year where the country stands.
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i think a lot of that has to do with perspective here. at the end of the day, parties are grassroots organizations, and people will follow them because they seek representation, not because of the politics surrounding the parties at the highest organizational levels. people don't change their beliefs because of drama alone. our ideological composition is the most direct factor that plays into which major party is more successful, and on that front, we are still pretty evenly split. no party is actually losing any significant ground, but they are drifting apart over time, and this increasingly large ideological gap makes it harder to find common ground, and harder for people to favorably view individuals from the opposing side as them. people may find themselves experiencing the false-consensus effect when they achieve greater representation in divided climates, assuming that more people are probably on their side and probably feel the same way about the other side as they do, when in reality the ideological composition of the country hasn't been significantly altered
some interesting data on this stuff:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/27/the-demographic-trends-shaping-american-politics-in-2016-and-beyond/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ideologies_in_the_United_States
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--- Quote from: otto-san on May 26, 2017, 09:22:41 PM ---i think a lot of that has to do with perspective here. at the end of the day, parties are grassroots organizations, and people will follow them because they seek representation, not because of the politics surrounding the parties at the highest organizational levels. people don't change their beliefs because of drama alone. our ideological composition is the most direct factor that plays into which major party is more successful, and on that front, we are still pretty evenly split. no party is actually losing any significant ground, but they are drifting apart over time, and this increasingly large ideological gap makes it harder to find common ground, and harder for people to favorably view individuals from the opposing side as them. people may find themselves experiencing the false-consensus effect when they achieve greater representation in divided climates, assuming that more people are probably on their side and probably feel the same way about the other side as they do, when in reality the ideological composition of the country hasn't been significantly altered
some interesting data on this stuff:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/27/the-demographic-trends-shaping-american-politics-in-2016-and-beyond/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ideologies_in_the_United_States
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speaking of which am i the only person who thinks there shouldn't be a "left-right" only sort of thing? i think the USA should be more open to the spectrum of politics, or have a centrist/independent president. i could say george washington is an example but a george washington that isn't stuck in the 1790's with his own exact beliefs.
would that be a weird idea or what? having a centrist president...
Daswiruch:
let's go find george washington's bones and elect that
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--- Quote from: Daswiruch on May 26, 2017, 09:32:51 PM ---let's go find george washington's bones and elect that
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otto-san:
--- Quote from: Timestamp on May 26, 2017, 09:31:26 PM ---speaking of which am i the only person who thinks there shouldn't be a "left-right" only sort of thing? i think the USA should be more open to the spectrum of politics, or have a centrist/independent president. i could say george washington is an example but a george washington that isn't stuck in the 1790's with his own exact beliefs.
would that be a weird idea or what? having a centrist president...
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i think it's an idea everyone loves in theory, but when it comes time to actually vote, they would rather opt for someone who's more likely to represent more of their interests.