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Why is All Lives Matter considered tribal?
Nonnel:
--- Quote from: Doughboy on May 30, 2017, 02:45:32 PM ---i thought its because "black lives matter" has an implicit "too" at the end, whereas "all lives matter" is just a smartarse response that downplays the point of "black lives matter"
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this is indeed the reason
The Resonte!:
--- Quote from: Doughboy on May 30, 2017, 02:45:32 PM ---i thought its because "black lives matter" has an implicit "too" at the end, whereas "all lives matter" is just a smartarse response that downplays the point of "black lives matter"
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--- Quote from: King Tøny on May 30, 2017, 02:49:42 PM ---If "black lives mattered, too" they'd show it with peace, not rampaging through cities, beating up white people and burning cars and stuff.
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lol peace good luck with that as a protest method
HypnoT:
--- Quote from: King Tøny on May 30, 2017, 02:49:42 PM ---If "black lives mattered, too" they'd show it with peace, not rampaging through cities, beating up white people and burning cars and stuff.
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When any group is mad enough mob mentality takes over, it's a tradeoff of any large protest group. I'm not condoning violence or destruction caused by people involved with BLM but riots are GOING to break out when human rights are being violated. The other danger of riots and stuff is that it distances themselves from the more pacifist activists who started the movement in the first place.
Tactical Nuke:
--- Quote from: HypnoT on May 30, 2017, 02:27:24 PM ---ALM is not tribal imo but looking at it from an outside perspective it looks to be minimizing the efforts made by groups like BLM.
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therefore it is indirectly tribal
also, what are BLM's efforts, anyway? all I see them doing is making it easier to vilify cops and driving them away from their neighborhoods, which in turn raises the amount of crime that happens, which escalates the even bigger issue of lethal black-on-black crime
--- Quote from: HypnoT on May 30, 2017, 02:27:24 PM ---The point of groups like BLM is to emphasize the injustice towards a minority group, lumping them all together leaves them feeling further marginalized. BLM itself is not tribal since it's about equality and asking for equal stance, not about a race being better or worse than another.
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bullstuff
if they were really looking for equality then they'd be actively asking the cops to kill them, because white people actually get gunned down by police more than black people do
--- Quote from: HypnoT on May 30, 2017, 02:27:24 PM ---Your statement proves itself wrong, feminism isn't about getting MORE rights than men, it's about getting more rights to have the same amount of rights as men.
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https://youtu.be/w3OoIAXPta0
--- Quote from: HypnoT on May 30, 2017, 02:27:24 PM ---It's easy to think that we are all born equal but in most cultures men are favoured over women.
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women are the sole propagators of life for our species
they essentially get to choose who lives and who dies
we are all equal under the law, but in order to be truly equal (under your definition) would require sacrifices from both sides which would make everyone miserable and unhappy
--- Quote from: HypnoT on May 30, 2017, 02:27:24 PM ---The bias towards men creates disproportionate ratios of men-to-women in colleges, universities, businesses, etc.
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if you mean the disproportionate ratios in favor of female graduates at college, then yes
or the disproportionate ratios in favor of women graduating high school
take your pick
--- Quote from: HypnoT on May 30, 2017, 02:27:24 PM ---The important thing to remember is that it isn't just about asking men to treat women equally, there are plenty of women who believe women should be dedicated family makers and house wives, they hinder younger women's development just as much if not more than men do since they are often the authority figures in young women's lives.
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did you ever consider that maybe they should be family makers and housewives because they legitimately enjoy it?
it's partially subjective but that may be because they don't have to "work" and they get to spend time with their little creations (geez that sounded weird)
--- Quote from: HypnoT on May 30, 2017, 02:27:24 PM ---Other parts of the problem include the fact that men prefer working with other men so in an already male-dominated work environment they are more likely to hire other men to maintain the comfort level, same goes for promotions and bonuses hence the wage gap.
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men have been proven to be infinitely more of risk-takers than women
that's why they make up the majority of CEOs and the majority of the homeless
also the wage gap is the biggest hoax ever concocted by the feminist movement and I feel sorry for you knowing that you probably believe it exists
--- Quote from: HypnoT on May 30, 2017, 02:27:24 PM ---Then there's other things too like marketing, games tend to have a male protagonist because most of the game creators are male, game consoles are targeted towards males, so the game is created to create a connection with a male player. The problem isn't with any individual part of the process it's a problem of an endless cycle that perpetuates a gender bias.
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then the feminists try to write "strong female characters" and they fail astoundingly because gender is not the most important part of a story and if you believe it is then I have no idea how you enjoy stories but I don't want to find out
--- Quote from: Doughboy on May 30, 2017, 02:45:32 PM ---i thought its because "black lives matter" has an implicit "too" at the end, whereas "all lives matter" is just a smartarse response that downplays the point of "black lives matter"
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nobody knows the trouble I've seen
--- Quote from: The Resonte! on May 30, 2017, 02:55:22 PM ----snip-
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the fact that people are still using this comparison to delegitimize #AllLivesMatter crushes my faith in the human race
you don't say "all houses matter, so let's douse every house equally"
you say "HOLY stuff THAT HOUSE IS ON FIRE, DOUSE IT IN WATER BECAUSE A L L H O U S E S M A T T E R"
PhantOS:
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on May 30, 2017, 03:14:56 PM ---you don't say "all houses matter, so let's douse every house equally"
you say "HOLY stuff THAT HOUSE IS ON FIRE, DOUSE IT IN WATER BECAUSE A L L H O U S E S M A T T E R"
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yeah but people never actually say that. best ive seen is people ranting about how trayvon martin deserved to die because he stole someone's keys a year before is death, and how the people who beat up the handicapped white kid should be executed with no trial
in theory 'all lives matter' should be a good message but at its core it serves to belittle the efforts of minority groups in their fight for other rights. black lives matter isn't only black lives matter, it just serves to make a statement in a country where for many years black lives didnt matter. at the same time, all lives matter isn't all lives but black ones matter, but its still supposed to be implied that everybody's lives matter already
its like pitting a kid in a wheelchair against an olympic runner in an obstacle course and saying 'listen guys all lives matter so im going to judge you both equally.' the wheelchair kid will obviously lose but since you judge objectively and unbiased you're going to say the olympic runner won and end the conversation. if the wheelchair kid goes over to you and says that the course was unfair since he's in a wheelchair all you can say is "well everyone has equal opportunity here so i judge everyone equal. isn't that better than 'disabled kids matter'"