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Why is All Lives Matter considered tribal?
King Tøny:
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on May 30, 2017, 03:55:44 PM ---it's a hollow feel-good message that seeks to purposely belittle any racial movements because "The blacks think it's all about them",
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Well it's true, right? After all the group is named "Black Lives Matter" not "Black Lives Also Matter" or "Black Lives Matter, too"
So black lives are more important than Native American lives?
Hispanic?
Asian?
Maybe they should change their group name.
Insert Name Here²:
Imo saying "all lives matter" is much better than just saying one racial group matters more than the others.
SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on May 30, 2017, 04:53:12 PM ---Black people commit over 50% of all homicides. White people commit 45% of them. That means that relatively, black people kill people about 7-10 times the rate that white people do. When black people kill, such as whites do, victims tend to be overwhelmingly members of the perpetrator's race. 93% of black-perpetrated homicides are against other blacks, and in 2015, about 6,000 blacks were killed by other blacks, as opposed to 258 killed by police, and that's not even to consider the justification for each shooting by police. These statistics have even been consistent for decades.
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BLM doesn't protest every single time a black man is killed - just when an unarmed one is killed, under suspicious circumstances, and coincidentally the cop gets off with zero consequences.
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on May 30, 2017, 03:14:56 PM ---also, what are BLM's efforts, anyway? all I see them doing is making it easier to vilify cops and driving them away from their neighborhoods, which in turn raises the amount of crime that happens, which escalates the even bigger issue of lethal black-on-black crime
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They more-or-less embody the social push towards body cameras, deescalation techniques, and better cop-community relations. Before people started protesting, larger society as a whole was either unaware or didn't give a stuff about any of this.
--- Quote from: Insert Name Here² on May 30, 2017, 05:25:38 PM ---Imo saying "all lives matter" is much better than just saying one racial group matters more than the others.
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Hence why the movement is called "Black Lives Matter More Than Whites". Just like that pesky "Breast-Cancer-The-Only-Important-Disease Awareness Month".
Tactical Nuke:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on May 30, 2017, 06:45:46 PM ---Ask yourself whether the clips and stories you hear are a representative sample, or whether the people showing you those clips and stories have carefully curated them in order to make you think a certain thing. This applies to your links as well, Tactical Nuke.
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I consider it a representative sample when it's the leaders of the organization. You didn't have MLK and all his buddies calling for white peoples' heads, did you?
--- Quote from: ultimamax on May 30, 2017, 07:45:03 PM ---I never "pulled up" any kind of narrative - I just pointed out your bullstuff understanding of statistics.
Here's a quote from the conclusion of that paper:
Maybe the stark racial disparity in all uses of force but lethal are the reason for tension between the police and minorities? I don't have time to hyperbrown townyze this paper so I'm not going to treat it as gospel, but it presents a more nuanced reality than the one you're proposing.
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You're changing your argument and then pretending it was always that way. I answered your claim that blacks were 2.5 times more likely to get shot than white people, which the paper disproves. In that regard, police use of non-lethal force in regards to different races is irrelevant.
Tension between minorities and police results from the statistics that I listed. You can't deny that if you were a cop and you were in a situation where you were confronting an Asian, whose race was responsible for 62% of all homicides (hypothetical scenario), that you would treat him differently than a black man, who were responsible for 10%. Interactions can go south really loving fast. One black leader took part in exercises simulating this and was genuinely surprised at what he did in each scenario.
--- Quote from: ultimamax on May 30, 2017, 07:45:03 PM ---As for your ideas about rap/absent fathers I'd love to see actual sociological research instead of your stuffty backseat speculation
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The absence of fathers leading to crime is a well-known fact. Here's a video that basically summarizes it, with a little more context on how the African-American family got to be so divided. A majority of black leaders acknowledge that it's a significant problem, sometimes even more than "racism".
Master Matthew²:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on May 30, 2017, 08:10:23 PM ---yursa is a handicap and should be kicked out of BLM. her words don't reflect BLM's message
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