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[nEWS} children taken away if you don't accept their gender
PhantOS:
So far your only argument is "gender and love are the same thing" which is objectively incorrect. Fortunately, the civilized world bases its laws around proven facts nowadays and not 4chan opinions, which is why laws in several countries acknowledge the definition of gender.
If you want to fight against it so bad and play pretend, go move back into the 18th century or some stuff. Until you invent a time machine, you won't be able to selectively dictate what facts are true and false
--- Quote ---The distinction between love and gender differentiates love (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary love characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the love of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).
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Deus Ex:
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The illusion most of the civilized world and scientific community acknowledges is true. If you want to play pretend and act like there are more than two genders that's fine, but nobody is going to pander to your refusal to accept the truth. Life moves on.
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ftfy
the idea of nonbinary genders exists only in social sciences (not an exact science) and tumblrina fantasy lands. If you cannot transition to your gender, it is made up. No, gender and love are not the same thing, but that doesn't mean gender exists on a spectrum. You are free to bang your head against the brick wall of science and fact all you want, but don't call us idiots when you're the one with the concussion.
--- Quote from: PhantOS on June 07, 2017, 08:42:22 AM --- if you fight against WHO's credibility you might as well be saying that vaccines give you autism
the only people bending reality would be the people that deny that gender is a social construct
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1. MMMMM that sweet appeal to authority
2. Gender itself is not a social construct. Male and female cannot be changed on society's whim. What can be changed are their roles, and how masculinity and femininity are perceived.
PhantOS:
--- Quote from: Deus Ex on June 07, 2017, 09:34:39 AM ---the idea of nonbinary genders exists only in social sciences (not an exact science)
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Social science isn't an exact science? The forget is this supposed to mean? Are you saying the entire field that studies how humans interact with each other and form societies is just a made up science? That's if i said "rain exists only in meteorology but it's not an exact science so rain doesn't exist". Maybe i'm misinterpreting this wrong and you're saying that social science is a broad category of other sciences, and in that case, nonbinary genders exist in demography, sociology and to some extent psychology.
Autism aside, you're essentially saying "nonbinary genders exist in the only science that studies human interaction and societal patterns, the only field of study that would have credibility on the mater" but i guess if it's not a real science it wouldn't matter to you anyways
--- Quote from: Deus Ex on June 07, 2017, 09:34:39 AM ---1. MMMMM that sweet appeal to authority
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i had this same issue with corderlain. since he can't argue against a credible source, his only tactic is to either say it's a liberal fake or to blame me for using a credible source. i guess you're doing the latter
anyways, WHO has scientists and professors around the world that publish thousands of abstracts every day, they work with millions of people to tackle health and societal issues. if you're going to just selectively say 'they're right on everything except this thing i dont agree with' then you're essentially throwing consistency out the window. They could be wrong on a number of things, but an agency that has a need to handle health information at such a high magnitude would have such an unlikely chance of being incorrect on the matter, and if they are they've probably revised it by now
--- Quote from: Deus Ex on June 07, 2017, 09:34:39 AM ---2. Gender itself is not a social construct. Male and female cannot be changed on society's whim. What can be changed are their roles, and how masculinity and femininity are perceived.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)
this is half gender being defined by society and half masculinity and femininity being defined by society. They both go hand in hand anyways, since masculinity and femininity are part of gender identification. You're essentially trying to prove me wrong but in reality you're just proving me right on a certain aspect. I do agree on the fact that gender roles are defined by society, but most institutions recognize that as an offshoot of gender identification, and it falls in the same category
Gender is just a definition, it doesn't exist until we give it meaning. The meaning most if not all of the scientific community have given it is a set of societal definitions that affect how people identify. It changes from society to society, so it's not just Male & female all around, people in different countries have a different definition of those roles in their society. Either way, more than two genders can exist, and it already does in some countries like india. Just because it doesn't fit your extremely narrow criteria doesn't mean that it's factually incorrect
Saltii:
yknow this discussion is super cool and all,,,
But What If The Kid Had A snake And Vagina ? ? ?
PhantOS:
If you're born with a vagina or egg producing reproductive organs, you're female. Female love characteristics take priority over male, which is why it's physically impossible to be born a male with female characteristics, but you can be born female with male characteristics
It's why hermaphrodites are girls, not boys. Though biologically speaking, they are neither male or female but just possess dominantly female characteristics. Or maybe their genitalia development failed