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| NotBomberguy:
goddamnit canada |
| otto-san:
--- Quote from: Deus Ex on June 07, 2017, 04:07:49 PM --- --- End quote --- those are a fair number of incredibly bold extrapolations, and i don't think they're very relevant to the existence and understanding of non-binary gender identities. you seem to also be implying that the idea that gender isn't binary is unpopular within the LGBT community, or that people whose identity doesn't fall within the masculine/feminine spectrum are leeches/distractions from the efforts of the LGBT community, and these things are simply not true. the efforts to normalize and create supportive environments for trans people is in no way exclusive to those who fall within traditional social construction; this movement stands more to upend the traditional construction and replace it with one centered around the experiences of the individual rather than one centered around the expectations of society, and that's what gender identity really is: it's one's own personal experience of their gender, and inevitably, the experiences of any one person don't necessarily fit snugly into the spectrum of traditionally masculine and feminine qualities. therefore, these identities can be understood as "non-binary." there's nothing strange or out-of-place about this when juxtaposed with trans individuals that identify with their traditionally 'opposite' gender when viewed in this context. since these are all relative to abstract cultural concepts, they can be fluid, imprecise, and perhaps only vaguely defined, but the idea is that they don't need to be, and it doesn't/shouldn't really matter what you want to call yourself |
| Red Spy:
anyone remember that thread like a year ago when someone said his friend got kicked out of school for wearing a dress even though he's a guy |
| Deus Ex:
--- Quote from: otto-san on June 07, 2017, 04:22:19 PM --- since these are all relative to abstract cultural concepts, they can be fluid, imprecise, and perhaps only vaguely defined, but the idea is that they don't need to be, and it doesn't/shouldn't really matter what you want to call yourself --- End quote --- When it comes to writing this stuff into laws, it does need to be precise, it cannot be fluid, it is not a concept. That is my point. We shouldn't be writing laws to accomadate "fluid" concepts of identity. That's loving ridiculous. |
| Swollow:
--- Quote from: Deus Ex on June 07, 2017, 05:19:46 PM ---When it comes to writing this stuff into laws, it does need to be precise, it cannot be fluid, it is not a concept. That is my point. We shouldn't be writing laws to accomadate "fluid" concepts of identity. That's loving ridiculous. --- End quote --- we should be forcing people to conform to a majority even though a small percentage of people don't fit into that box rather than simply accommodating everyone? lol |
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