is stick shift worth it in california

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--- Quote from: Master Matthew² on June 12, 2017, 07:31:42 PM ---So what you're saying is that Automatic is Console Gaming while Manual is PC Gaming?

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I guess? There really isn't an brown townogy that fits this

Ceist:

--- Quote from: Planr on June 12, 2017, 06:46:22 PM ---stick has no advantages over automatic other than being cheaper to repair if it breaks. and automatic more than makes up for its more expensive maintenance costs with the amount of money you'll save on gas from using it.

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this is not true. not even in the slightest.

Juncoph:
more recently, automatics have begun to rival and in some circumstances defeat manuals on the subject of fuel efficiency but for most of their history manuals had the fuel efficiency edge

the real issue (in a modern tech context, anyway) with saying one is more fuel efficient than the other is that automatics are inherently less mechanically efficient and the driver's skill determines a manual's efficiency

however it's really a matter of technological optimization vs mechanical simplicity

and from an engineering standpoint - mechanical simplicity is always the easier option

the real appeal to automatics are A. american car culture being auto dominated thanks to a booming car industry during the early cold war while europe was too poor to field automatic transmissions thanks to damage from ww2 and B. not having to deal with managing your gears in traffic

i personally want a manual because i like having more control over what i operate

Zloff:
in the past decade planetary gearboxes have been improved on so much that i'm sure any new car today with a traditional auto will be more fuel efficient than the same car with a manual transmission

how i see it:

- Dual-clutch transmission (DCT): allow the fastest shifting times (8ms upshifts in the case of VW's DSG (but apparently 600ms downshifts:/ )) and the shifts are buttery smooth (pro or con), but you still have to deal with replacing the clutch (two of them, actually) and they feel "soulless"

- Planetary/traditional auto: In a quick summary: not fun to drive. Require minimal maintenance tho

- Manual transmission: require maximum involvement (aka they're fun) and have a high skill ceiling, but with the worst mpg (relative to newer cars), a max shift time of like 250ms if you can even get that good, and a clutch to replace. being able to manipulate the clutch and gears manually allows for the execution of special driving techniques which can help in some driving events like rally or drifting or whatever else

- Sequential/auto-manual/semi-auto: literally a manual transmission with hydraulics/electronics moving the clutch and gears. sometimes it's even just a piggyback system put onto an existing mt (see: m3 csl). not as fast as a dct, but you can still get thrown back in your seat when you upshift under hard throttle, like with a normal manual (aka shifting isn't super smooth). lexus used these in it's LFA over a DCT specifically for the more raw feeling it brings while still having an optional full-auto function (since, you know, it's a lexus)

- Continuously variable (CVT): it doesn't shift at all. best mpg (i would think) and performance but probably the most boring

-Pablo-:
I drive a manual and can't recommend it enough! Makes driving a super enjoyable time, you just feel so much more in control.

If you're in America they're considerably cheaper considering not many drive them. Also great to learn and be comfortable with if you travel to a place like the UK where that's the norm, but obviously you don't need to buy a car to learn.

oh yeah and it looks siCK.

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