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| Planr:
That depends on your definition of what a Christian is. People surveyed on the street can easily lie. They have no reason to be honest with a reporter about what their real situation is, especially if they're scammers. I'm not going to respond to your second point because as in your previous post you're doing little at this point other than making personal attacks. But for the record, my church does help out homeless people. We have an active prison ministry too. It's easy to tell the difference between a real homeless person and someone who just wants to exploit other people's generosity for money. The people who actually want to change their lives around do. They get connected to our church and are helped with getting proper clothing and a job. The people that just take the money or food and don't do anything in response other than go spend it on themselves and continue begging are the fake ones, that continue in alchoholism, crime, and panhandling to spend on more alcohol and drugs. |
| Drydess:
why would you lie to some random person it's not like they're asking anything personal, it's just a poll---not many people are genuinely malicious, being on the internet can skew your view of that |
| SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: Planr on June 16, 2017, 09:49:03 PM ---People surveyed on the street can easily lie. They have no reason to be honest with a reporter about what their real situation is, especially if they're scammers. --- End quote --- Then why would many of them admit to spending their money on drugs? Why would they disclose mental illnesses? Why would they give a ton of completely unrelated details to a surveyor when they can literally just tell them to forget off? This survey is just as reliable as any other survey. While we're at it, I randomly looked at a couple of your links. The first one is a Fox article which concludes most panhandlers are frauds because of a single quote, from some guy, saying they're frauds. One of them is a video of some creepy douche in a truck filming some homeless woman panhandling out of a gas station. The video title says that she makes $50+ a day, but there's no evidence of that in the video other than a part where he says, "yeah bro, I bet if I went hard I could get $50 a day." This is the kind of evidence you're holding above actual surveys. Use some critical thinking friendo. --- Quote from: Planr on June 16, 2017, 09:49:03 PM ---It's easy to tell the difference between a real homeless person and someone who just wants to exploit other people's generosity for money. The people who actually want to change their lives around do. They get connected to our church and are helped with getting proper clothing and a job. --- End quote --- Please tell me about your church's magic pill for schizophrenia and heroin addiction. I will patent it and make millions. --- Quote from: Planr on June 16, 2017, 09:49:03 PM ---I'm not going to respond to your second point because as in your previous post you're doing little at this point other than making personal attacks. --- End quote --- It's not a personal attack, it's an example of why your form of anecdotal reasoning can be used by other people to perpetuate lies about your religious group. Obviously I don't think Christians are tribals. |
| SeventhSandwich:
I hate to be mean about this, but the stuff you're writing here is a testament (no pun intended) to why a lot of Church philanthropy is bullstuff that does nothing. You are not concerned with the actual reasons why homeless people are messed up. You don't care about understanding why they end up in their place and what can actually be done to help. You are only concerned with painting this picture that religion is the only solution to everyone's problems, and so you blanket-generalize all homeless people as scam artists and bad people, except (conveniently) the ones who your church has miraculously turned around. This narrative does nothing but hurt the people you're supposed to help. If you want to actually help people, look into effective altruism. It's philanthropy that's informed by the real reasons why people have screwed up lives, and it actually changes the world for the better. Effective altruism is the reason why an atheist computer-nerd billionaire runs the most successful and helpful charitable organization, not the Pope or the Church. |
| Drydess:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on June 16, 2017, 10:01:51 PM ---If you want to actually help people, look into effective altruism. It's philanthropy that's informed by the real reasons why people have screwed up lives, and it actually changes the world for the better. Effective altruism is the reason why an atheist computer-nerd billionaire runs the most successful and helpful charitable organization, not the Pope or the Church. --- End quote --- the thing about this is the same problem as with capitalism: those with the power and money to do a selfless act are most likely not going to, considering that you almost need to exploit or disadvantage others in order to get there |
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