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The shifting politics of inequality and the class ceiling
Rally:
--- Quote from: Karl Marx on July 07, 2017, 10:21:04 PM ---You seem to be misinformed on the true cost of living upkeep. Artificially created value and the predatory adjusting of prices would have our society believe that a bottle of life-saving medicine, for example, really is worth $100+. The reality of the matter, however, reveals the true nature of how inexpensive, monetarily and labor-wise, it is to guarantee the right to healthcare.
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You dodged the point entirely and hit me with some half-assed marxist copypasta. Typical commie.
Red Spy:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on July 08, 2017, 12:28:35 AM ---where everyone has opportunity and safety regardless of their social status
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this sounds like capitalism
Juncoph:
let me be clear - end-stage communism is a ~wonderful~ concept. literally biblical love thy neighbour style stuff. the problem is, it's impossible to create a system that gets us there without making the utopia into a dystopia. denying history will only end in history repeating itself.
PhantOS:
--- Quote from: Red Spy on July 08, 2017, 12:30:24 AM ---this sounds like capitalism
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well there's a spectrum of capitalism. you have unregulated capitalism, which was essentially 1800s child labor. you have regulated capitalism, which i guess you could consider communism to be part of. then you have mixed economy, which is a perfect balance of both, where regulations are set for mutual benefit of workers, civilians, and businesses. Right now the US is somewhat tilted towards the unregulated side
deregulate capitalism for too long and the opportunists will seize control and turn it into the other side, regulated capitalism. stay regulated for too long and people will rise up and fight against it, trying to turn it into some pseudo libertarian deregulated capitalism again. ideally, a mixed economy will adapt to current events, ie will become more regulated during wartime, unregulated during peacetime, which is why it's the most versatile and sustainable
Juncoph:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on July 08, 2017, 12:34:50 AM ---which i guess you could consider communism to be part of.
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nyet, comrade. communism is demonstrably awful at money. even lenin had to give in to capitalism because his handicapped ideology couldn't support a large country's economy