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The shifting politics of inequality and the class ceiling
TristanLuigi:
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i think his point is that even with regulations, workers are still fundamentally in a submissive position compared to their employers
no amount of regulation will fix that
Johnimiester:
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What I am explicitly referring to is the fact that workplace democracy does not exist under Capitalism. Workplace regulations historically have never implemented this and will not since doing so would be the antithesis of Bourgeois control over production.
Foxscotch:
--- Quote from: Electrk. on July 08, 2017, 02:09:13 AM ---yeah imagine that
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--- Quote from: Johnimiester on July 08, 2017, 02:13:13 AM ---What I am explicitly referring to is the fact that workplace democracy does not exist under Capitalism. Workplace regulations historically have never implemented this and will not since doing so would be the antithesis of Bourgeois control over production.
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i thouhgt you were like 12 years old, dude, the forget
Red Spy:
--- Quote from: Johnimiester on July 08, 2017, 02:13:13 AM ---Bourgeois
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he's infected boys
PhantOS:
--- Quote from: TristanLuigi on July 08, 2017, 02:12:15 AM ---i think his point is that even with regulations, workers are still fundamentally in a submissive position compared to their employers
no amount of regulation will fix that
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of course, that's the natural order of things. you're providing your service in exchange for money, and you are at the will of whoever is providing that money. It's the same thing with communism, except doing service and expecting one centralized entity to return the money, while in capitalism you have a thousand different entities which you can offer your services to
in the end, more checks and balances over business and smaller sections of the government dealing with them is what holds everything together. businesses by themselves don't have the foresight or judgement to understand the weight of their exploitation of work, and how it destroys the source of labor and results in civil unrest. governments that regulate themselves and others understand the weight of security and regulations and how it holds society together