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| Karl Marx:
--- Quote from: Cappytaino on July 08, 2017, 10:34:41 AM ---You seem to be confusing economic equality for prosperity. Take for example a country like Somalia. Most people are equal in the economic sense but that isn't indicative of prosperity. Economic inequality doesn't mean something is inherently unfair. Correct me if I'm mistaken but you seem to be insinuating that equality of outcome is more important than equality of opportunity; that is to say, if I go to medical school and you flip burgers, it is inherently unfair that I make more money than you do despite spending many more years on my education and training? --- End quote --- National prosperity does not guarantee equal prosperity either. The country's richest people could be so wealthy that the GDP per capita could look incredible, but that means nothing to the impoverished who gain no share of this prosperity. You, as many others tend to, seem to believe that communism somehow damages the doctors and highly skilled laborers for the gain of the working class. You forget that these doctors and laborers are not the face of the super elite, the ultra wealthy enemy of the people. The business CEOs, the Bill Gates and the Warren Buffets, the individuals who wrest the equity of wealth distribution from the hands of the people. The people who exclusively reap the benefits of the value created by their laborers, guaranteeing only the prosperity of the elites even in the face of a slowly decaying working class. They are the enemies of equality. --- Quote from: Juncoph on July 08, 2017, 10:46:58 AM ---name 1 that doesn't rely on the good faith of a dictator or the good faith of everyone to just not commit crime without a state to stop them --- End quote --- Alright. Try De Leonism. To my understanding, it involves the replacement of political parties with unions, in effect replacing the democracy of the elites with a democracy of the people. A decentralized government that democratically decides what laws to pass based on the consensus of a coalition of the working people. |
| Maxwell.:
--- Quote from: Karl Marx on July 08, 2017, 10:56:28 AM ---To my understanding, it involves the replacement of political parties with unions, in effect replacing the democracy of the elites with a democracy of the people. A decentralized government that democratically decides what laws to pass based on the consensus of a coalition of the working people. --- End quote --- how long do you think it'll take until that system breaks down, though? I see no feasible way for people to stay equal when there's no one in power to hold that equilibrium |
| Karl Marx:
--- Quote from: Maxwell. on July 08, 2017, 11:03:39 AM ---how long do you think it'll take until that system breaks down, though? I see no feasible way for people to stay equal when there's no one in power to hold that equilibrium --- End quote --- You seem to be under the impression that an authoritarian government is necessary to enforce equality. When has that ever been the case? |
| Maxwell.:
--- Quote from: Karl Marx on July 08, 2017, 11:07:18 AM --- You seem to be under the impression that an authoritarian government is necessary to enforce equality. When has that ever been the case? --- End quote --- when have we ever reached anywhere near equality without it? when was the last time there was no government in power yet law and order still somehow held up? |
| Cappytaino:
--- Quote from: Karl Marx on July 08, 2017, 11:07:18 AM --- You seem to be under the impression that an authoritarian government is necessary to enforce equality. When has that ever been the case? --- End quote --- "capitalism doesn't work because people act in self-interest but communism will work because people won't act in self-interest" How do you expect to enforce any laws without a government? |
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