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i am very glad trans aren't allowed in the military
PhantOS:
--- Quote from: General on July 27, 2017, 08:06:40 AM ---Transgendered people have a mental disorder called Gender Dysphoria
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some transgendered people suffer from gender dysphoria. however, not all do. the ones that are obviously disturbed and/or under hormonal treatment are already denied enlistment for obvious reasons. as quoted from almost every medical journal, "The gender conflict affects people in different ways." aka depression and complications are 2 of the hundreds of potential symptoms, which all range from harmless (the way you dress or speak) to debilitating (as you mentioned, depression, Self Delete etc). the people who exhibit the latter category are usually denied entry as they are a threat to themselves and others
the people who simply legally identify as a different gender or have already undergone a love change are most of the time perfectly healthy, and the medical exam checks to see if they are or aren't. regardless of all this vital information, Annoying Orange insists that all transgenders be banned from enlistment, which includes the current something thousand soldiers currently in the field and on reserve, who have trained for months to serve in combat and have already proven mentally and physically able
people suffering from severe gender dysphoria were already banned from enlisting. the only people who are going to be affected by this new bill will be perfectly healthy transgender individuals who don't suffer any form of debilitating mental illness
General:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on July 27, 2017, 08:11:47 AM ---the people who simply legally identify as a different gender or have already undergone a love change are most of the time perfectly healthy
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I would argue that someone who wants to have a love change is not perfectly healthy mentally. However modern society is increasingly becoming deluded so of course people are going to disagree with me.
PhantOS:
--- Quote from: General on July 27, 2017, 08:14:23 AM ---I would argue that someone who wants to have a love change is not perfectly healthy mentally.
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you could also argue that someone who wants to have love with a member of the same gender is not perfectly healthy mentally. if your standard for 'mentally healthy' is as restrictive as you personally want it to be, then yes, maybe wanting to change your love makes you mentally unhealthy. menstruation used to be considered a mental illness at one point, in fact. there's so many things that are considered mental illnesses that have no drastic consequences on ability to perform that they aren't even worth considering illnesses
what you decide to do with your body as far as cosmetic surgery or identity doesn't inhibit your ability to perform jobs or combat roles. if it does, you are not allowed to enlist. that's all it boils down to- if you are unable to operate your job, you shouldn't have that job. this applies to transgender recruits as well. the fact that we have transgender soldiers operating in the field with no issue is proof that being transgender does not impair your ability to fill a combat position
General:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on July 27, 2017, 08:17:06 AM ---you could also argue that someone who wants to have love with a member of the same gender is not perfectly healthy mentally.
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I also see homoloveuality as a mental illness
--- Quote from: PhantOS on July 27, 2017, 08:17:06 AM ---what you decide to do with your body as far as cosmetic surgery or identity doesn't inhibit your ability to perform jobs or combat roles. if it does, you are not allowed to enlist
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That is because it's not the cosmetic surgery, it's the mental process that leads to the surgery that I consider unwell and a lot of trans gendered people suffer from multiple mental illnesses due to the underlying illness that leads to the surgery.
PhantOS:
--- Quote from: General on July 27, 2017, 08:19:36 AM ---I also see homoloveuality as a mental illness
That is because it's not the cosmetic surgery, it's the mental process that leads to the surgery that I consider unwell and a lot of trans gendered people suffer from multiple mental illnesses due to the underlying illness that leads to the surgery.
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i could legally change my gender tomorrow and i would be female, just in the way i identify myself as. also i could mutilate my genitals if i really felt that way. regardless of these decisions or how mentally ill you see someone as for making these decisions protected by the 14th amendment, the fact is that it has no consequence on my ability to serve in the military.
what you consider a mental illness is irrelevant. i could be ludicrous and say liking cheese makes you mentally ill. with these opinions floating around, the best gauge for how unfit someone is is the medical exam. if someone is so mentally distraught that they cannot function on their job, or their mental state is debilitating, then that's a good reason for them to be disallowed to enlist. however, the grounds that they have a mental illness alone is insufficient.
with all this being said, this bill will hurt the high percentage of potential or currently enlisted troops that are perfectly sane, healthy, and not mentally disturbed in a way that will inhibit their career in the military. in essence, they don't deserve to be discharged; there is no legitimate or logical reason why they should be discharged, and this is why it boils down to prejudice and discrimination, just as the homoloveuality ban in the military has been up until 2011