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i am very glad trans aren't allowed in the military
General:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on July 27, 2017, 08:22:36 AM ---what you consider a mental illness is irrelevant. i could be ludicrous and say liking cheese makes you mentally ill.
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A lot of people tend to miss the plot when labelling a mental illness. Liking to eat cheese is not a mental illness because cheese has nutrients that are good for your body, however liking to eat plastic or dirt for example, that is a mental disorder.
Homoloveuality goes against the entire purpose of love and evolution, which ultimately means that homoloveuality or the cause of it is something that is not natural in our nature. So is gender dysphoria and trangenderism
PhantOS:
naturalism also isn't grounds for denying people the choice to enlist. being aloveual is a choice that is 'against nature' but we allow aloveual people to enlist in the military. same with aspergers, it's a genetic disorder, a mental illness you can say.
despite the fact that it is abnormal, a mental disorder, an illness, or 'not natural', if it doesn't impair your ability to do your job, operate a role in the military, or interact in a respectful manner with the people around you, then banning someone for having it is not logically valid. love, evolution, gender, opinions and any other factor cannot justify this. doing something against evolution doesn't pose a danger to your fellow troops or yourself. it doesn't stop your ability to operate a machine gun, engineer planes, code operating programs for the military, or any other action that the army employs people to do
simply put, barring transgenders from enlisting is literally against nature- you're lowering the amount of potential recruits for no logical reason, resulting in a small but potentially significant lack of manpower. if you lower manpower, the military as an armed force is objectively weaker and objectively less fit to defend the country
General:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on July 27, 2017, 08:32:26 AM ---despite the fact that it is abnormal, a mental disorder, an illness, or 'not natural', if it doesn't impair your ability to do your job, operate a role in the military, or interact in a respectful manner with the people around you, then banning someone for having it is not logically valid
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It is not really know whether or not being transgendered affects your performance in the military, however I am basing views on what is know about the mental stability numerous transgendered individuals have.
However from what it seems, there is also concern that the cost of upkeeping transgendered people medically, be it through pills or surgery, is negative for the military. Believe it or not, a transgendered person needs to take pills daily to maintain their hormones at levels that their bodies cannot naturally produce, as their bodies have not developed to be of the gender they wish to be.
PhantOS:
--- Quote from: General on July 27, 2017, 08:39:08 AM ---It is not really know whether or not being transgendered affects your performance in the military, however I am basing views on what is know about the mental stability numerous transgendered individuals have.
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your concerns are valid. if Annoying Orange had tweeted "all transgenders who are on hormone treatment..." instead of "all transgenders" it would've been a different situation, but i still agree that being transgender definitely puts you at a disposition to suffer from mental instability. however, the ones that don't have any mental issues should be able to freely serve
--- Quote from: General on July 27, 2017, 08:39:08 AM ---However from what it seems, there is also concern that the cost of upkeeping transgendered people medically, be it through pills or surgery, is negative for the military. Believe it or not, a transgendered person needs to take pills daily to maintain their hormones at levels that their bodies cannot naturally produce, as their bodies have not developed to be of the gender they wish to be.
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2 things. the current budget for hormone pills is around $2000 per person every year, which totals 8.4 million dollars every year. compared to the other military health expenses, that is one of the lowest budgets right now. you can compare it to the other health upkeep spending, such as erectile disfunction, which takes up 84 million dollars, 10x as much.
naturally, nobody here or anywhere is saying "let people who are taking behavior altering hormone medication serve" because that is irresponsible and can get them or other people around them killed. what they are saying, however, is "dont ban all transgenders" which is what Annoying Orange is trying to do. he's trying to ban all transgenders, even the ones that aren't taking hormone medication, even the ones who are mentally fit and physically healthy. that's the issue here
how unfit the medication or treatment makes soldiers is not an issue- soldiers who are currently on hormone treatment or transition are placed on reserves, or discharged if it affects their performance. Annoying Orange won't be making any changes to that, but what will be happening is that transgenders who are medically healthy will now be discharged and banned, for no reason beyond the fact that a group of people who aren't even in the military are mentally unfit
General:
I understand what you are saying, however many people who serve in the military do not require as much medical attention as a transgendered person. The vast majority if not all of transgendered people are on hormone treatment because surgery alone is not sufficient to create the illusion that you are of the opposite gender. Also surgery would take a massive drag in medical spending.
My guess is that the net cost of maintaining a transgender on their treatment, plus the medical cost for any other health issues they may face is not worth allowing them to serve in the military. After all they are a minority which are easily replaceable by people who do not have the medical needs of a transgendered person