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i am very glad trans aren't allowed in the military
PhantOS:
no proof backs up any of what you said. there are no significant numbers that show transgender individuals in the military are entirely dependent on hormone treatment. there is no proof that they require more medical attention than the average soldier. all we have is the amount of money allocated to the groups, and that amount of money shows that the amount of money spent on transgender health in the military is severely insignificant
--- Quote from: General on July 27, 2017, 09:12:06 AM ---The vast majority if not all of transgendered people are on hormone treatment because surgery alone is not sufficient to create the illusion that you are of the opposite gender.
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1) you can be transgender and not undergo hormone treatment or surgery. simply identifying as a different gender legally makes you a transgender.
2) 'vast majority if not all' requires a source or statistic. if you're going to make a sweeping statement of that magnitude, please come through with proof
3) according to the world health organization, american health organization, and every major medical journal, gender is a spectrum. if you meant the illusion of opposite love, that would probably be more accurate, but illusion of opposite gender doesn't work, because you can change your gender at any time and since it's identity it doesn't count as an illusion. several countries around the world, including the united states, recognize more than 2 genders.
love is male or female. gender is a spectrum. there's a reason two words exist to differentiate them, and they are not the same thing
Trogtor:
let's be real here the only reason most people are transgender is because of a 'trend' they sought out to see that miraculously fills the hole in their pathetic teenage lives because it gives them the attention nobody else gave them. it's like all those kids who we misdiagnosed with ADHD because god be damned when kids start acting like kids.
General:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on July 27, 2017, 09:18:39 AM ---love is male or female. gender is a spectrum. there's a reason two words exist to differentiate them, and they are not the same thing
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No. Personality is a spectrum, gender is binary.
General:
--- Quote from: Trogtor on July 27, 2017, 09:28:29 AM ---let's be real here the only reason most people are transgender is because of a 'trend' they sought out to see that miraculously fills the hole in their pathetic teenage lives because it gives them the attention nobody else gave them. it's like all those kids who we misdiagnosed with ADHD because god be damned when kids start acting like kids.
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I strongly feel this too, as well as this whole "gender is a spectrum" phase. People just use them as an excuse to feel like they have more control over their life than they really have. Nobody cares that you identify as a demi girl or whatever bullstuff.
PhantOS:
--- Quote from: General on July 27, 2017, 09:31:28 AM ---No. Personality is a spectrum, gender is binary.
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love is binary; its what you're biologically born as. gender, which is an entirely different word as defined by all updated dictionaries, is an identity
This is entirely your opinion, but sadly almost all health organizations and laws say this is false. as it currently stands and how many well studied abstracts have found, gender is a form of identity, while love is male or female
--- Quote from: Trogtor on July 27, 2017, 09:28:29 AM ---let's be real here the only reason most people are transgender is because of a 'trend' they sought out to see that miraculously fills the hole in their pathetic teenage lives because it gives them the attention nobody else gave them. it's like all those kids who we misdiagnosed with ADHD because god be damned when kids start acting like kids.
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i mean, you can google the history of transgenderism and find ancient greek texts from 5000 BCE documenting how people would change their gender. transgenderism isn't just a new phenomenon, it's always been around, it's just that societies have been so oppressive of it that coming out as transgender would either ostricize you from civilization, get you killed, or harassed. luckily we live in a country where these freedoms are (mostly) respected
i think your impression on transgender people is mostly misunderstood. as someone who lives in a very liberal city i can assure you that transgender kids are just people who feel uncomfortable with who they are and want to feel more comfortable. it's not an illusion, it's not pandering or attention whoring, it's just respect. if something makes you uncomfortable, you will naturally be drawn to whatever makes you feel comfortable, and that's not seeking attention, it's just being human