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| Karl Marx:
I know nobody asked but I'm gonna be serious for a second: Everyone here knows that this is a novelty account, but I mean most of the stuff I say about healthcare. I'm not gonna say I'm being disingenuous, but I think I'm still learning too much to say that I have as strong of a conviction in my beliefs as I have lead people to believe. Sometimes I just want to see how much water the arguments of an ideology I'm exploring hold, but I still take it seriously. That being said, I seriously cannot stand an ideology that advocates for the complete disregard of social responsiblity. Letting other people suffer because you don't want to give back to the society you benefit from is ridiculous. |
| IkeTheGeneric:
--- Quote from: Deus Ex on July 28, 2017, 09:51:07 PM ---But you don't want Obamacare to be repealed what the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuu I'm going to bed this is getting ridiculous as forget --- End quote --- You should check out of this argument, because you have absolutely no idea what my point is and you're misunderstanding me. I don't like Obamacare, but I don't have much of a forgetin choice, do I? I'm too busy and have too much at stake personally to dedicating my time to figuring out which system is better because I have basically no political pull. It's a waste of time. |
| Trymos:
to those who support the skinny repeal bill: this bill hurts literally everybody, and i do mean everybody. why? because it removes the individual mandate, which sounds like a good thing: no more being forced to have health insurance, that's awesome, right? well for the people who want to not pay for other people, this bill does not repeal the no rejection of people with preexisting conditions clause, which is the main reason your premiums have gone up as the insurance companies are forced to take in sick people without being forced to drive up premiums for those specific people. the reason the individual mandate was put in place was so that more healthy people would have insurance, therefore driving costs down as there are more healthy people to offset this additional cost insurers have when dealing with sick people. so now people aren't forced to have health insurance, and when they drop their plans for nothing else your premiums will go up, as the healthy young people who had to sign up because of the individual mandate are no longer forced to, and since there are not as many healthy people on the plan offsetting the sick people, driving premium costs up as the healthy:sick ratio grows closer. this is why it is bad. however, the bill does make it far easier for states to waive federal requirements that health insurance plans provide consumers with a minimum set of benefits like maternity care and prescription drugs. which would give the illusion that it is cheaper, but ultimately it's more expensive in the long run, because you know, paying full price for your medication. whether you support or hate obamacare, this repeal bill is loving horrible and only serves to fulfill an agenda, which is to pass an actual healthcare bill through forcing the democrats to vote yes, because obamacare lite is better than basically nothing, which is what this bill ends up being: nothing. |
| Drydess:
"not my problem:" three words that are the downfall of society |
| Red Spy:
--- Quote from: Drydess on July 28, 2017, 11:17:49 PM ---"not my problem:" three words that are the downfall of society --- End quote --- especially the black one |
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