[Real News] Obamacare Repeal Fails

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GRIMLOCK_:

--- Quote from: Karl Marx on July 28, 2017, 01:12:46 PM ---Symptomatic of an incompetent administration

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are we ignoring the fact that this quote came from a person who roleplays as the author of the single most damaging ideology in the last 150+ years?

PhantOS:

--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on July 28, 2017, 08:37:51 PM ---I benefit from roads and infrastructure, and from the military and other services that protect ME
how does me shilling out money for someone I don't even know benefit me? that's forced charity, and it shouldn't be part of my taxes
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i don't know but if i lived in the same stat as you your roads would also payed for by me. i guess that's forced charity too. i don't want to be paying for your roads. i don't know you. however, the reason your roads are there is because millions of people who dont know you and dont want to pay for your stuff end up being forced to pay for your stuff

Deus Ex:

--- Quote from: PhantOS on July 28, 2017, 09:10:35 PM ---i do. i don't know if they are using a private sector for health insurance or public, but i think im reasonably sure not everyone is as lucky as i am to find a small business that has as many benefits as the one i work at does.
you're literally paying mere cents a month. quit crying. i probably pay the same amount as you or the next person

you're allowed to be selfish all you want. you can murder your girlfriend and steal her car if you want to be really selfish. sadly, selfishness is bad for society. this is why we don't allow it

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CENTS A MONTH?
There's been articles about the high costs on the middle class since 2013 what the forget are you on
And it's not just taxes it's also the deductibles and all sorts of other stuff that forget us over

Don't compare me murdering my girlfriend to not paying for your meds dude that's loving handicapped

--- Quote from: PhantOS on July 28, 2017, 09:15:25 PM ---i don't know but if i lived in the same stat as you your roads would also payed for by me.

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loving stuff argument because roads are public infrastructure and not comparable to what SHOULD be a private concern like healthcare

IkeTheGeneric:

--- Quote from: Deus Ex on July 28, 2017, 09:02:57 PM ---You've already given me this sob story and I've already stated it's not my problem and I don't want to pay for your diabetes.

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Wow, what a cowardly loving response. It's my problem, that's why I'm presenting my take on the matter. If you're going to crumble into your own mess of whining and bullstufftery every time somebody responds, don't even bother posting in the first place.

--- Quote from: Deus Ex on July 28, 2017, 09:02:57 PM ---I've already explained how insurance costs would lower due to actual competition instead of the state-wide monopolies Obamacare has allowed to take control
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And it was completely and utterly disregarded being it's completely wrong. The state of healthcare is the way it is because of corporate intervention, not because m-muh Obamacare. ACA was a (Misguided, at best) step in the right direction and stuffheels like you whine because you have to pay taxes. Big whoop.

You already ignored any points I brought up because, and this is my theory, you're emotionally incapable of coming to terms with the fact you were wrong about something. You should look into the whole ordeal sometime, considering how strongly you feel about this.

--- Quote from: Deus Ex on July 28, 2017, 09:02:57 PM ---You would get affordable care by a company who's prices are low enough because if they didn't offer low enough prices they wouldn't get any business.

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Yeah, in a dream maybe. How it is now is how it is, and your magical solutions suck stuff and aren't happening anytime soon. I'd like to plan my life with realistic projections instead of some libertarian lala land thank you very much.

--- Quote from: Deus Ex on July 28, 2017, 09:02:57 PM ---Well not everything is free, someone has to pay for it

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If you weren't too stupid to read my whole post you would have caught the part where I cannot afford insulin without coverage. Stressing that part because you seem to keep missing it. I'm already paying bills, insurance on my car, groceries every week and the checkups for my family. I'm not some lazy do-nothing liberal that you wait night and forgetin day to destroy verbally in an argument, I'm an adult taxpayer whose been dealt a stuff hand and really doesn't need to lose healthcare just because I can't find a job that offers their own plan.

Yeah, the current state of health care sucks stuff, too. I wish it were better, but your party proposed an awful loving plan. Doubling down on the selfish "REEE STOP TAKING MY loving MONEY GOVERNMENT" is just gonna make you look like a petulant child.

ultimamax:

--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on July 28, 2017, 08:11:44 PM ---okay if you want your verbal horsestuff to be taken seriously then you should know that conservatives on average give WAY MORE to charity than any other party, so your pathetic loving idealized "selfish conservatives" FANTASY can go shrivel up with the rest of your intelligence

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The study says that giving to your church is considered charitable giving. That's why Utahans are so high up there - lots of Mormons giving lots of money to LDS. That doesn't mean that that money is necessarily going to people who need it.

--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on July 28, 2017, 08:37:51 PM ---I benefit from roads and infrastructure, and from the military and other services that protect ME
how does me shilling out money for someone I don't even know benefit me? that's forced charity, and it shouldn't be part of my taxes
if I want to give money to sick people who need treatment then I'll give them the loving money, I don't need the government to do it for me

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Other people benefit from roads/infrastructure/the military/other services too? Should you pay less taxes than a trucker because truckers use roads more? How is paying for roads not shilling out money for someone you don't know? In a system where your taxes go to other people's healthcare, you too would benefit from that publicized healthcare in the same way you benefit from other things your taxes pay for.

--- Quote from: Deus Ex on July 28, 2017, 09:02:57 PM ---Get a job that has health insurance then. I don't see why I have to pay for you to keep breathing. I don't care how heartless it sounds, that's how it is. Someone in the middle of bumforget Tennessee shouldn't have to subsidize healthcare for Little Timmy who has a heart condition. I wouldn't expect other people to pay for my health insurance, so I don't see why I should be expected to do the same for other people. Is it selfish? Yes. Why am I not allowed to be selfish? I work and I earn money for MYSELF, not for the whole country or what the forget ever you guys think. I get taxed to keep the government running, not to make sure you get to live comfy. YOU work so YOU get to live comfy.

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At least you're honest about not wanting healthcare to be a fundamental right for everyone. I think you shouldn't have to die just because you're poor, because America isn't a meritocracy where you can easily move up in income.

Supposedly the ACA significantly slowed the rate at which the per capita cost of healthcare was growing in America, but America still has the highest per capita health care expenditure out of any developed country in the world and had it the whole time the ACA was in effect (and possibly before, I don't have data on that)

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