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Sweden has gender neutral schools.
IkeTheGeneric:
--- Quote from: Deus Ex on August 01, 2017, 08:35:06 AM ---I'm sorry scientists use monkeys to research behavior since they're comparable to humans? We do the same thing with drug trials on mice, what the forget is your point?
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Because this isn't about how certain genders play with certain toys, it's about delivering education to children without instilling any sort of stereotypes or biases in the children going to school. It's easy to cite a case study on the cultural behavior of a chimp but that's pretty much irrelevant when it comes to more complex sociological issues like this. I've read deeper into Sweden's gender-neutral schools and while they seem to be operating off of a few good ideas, there are some strange choices (Such as not addressing children by their pronouns, preferring a supposedly gender-neutral "Hen" pronoun..?)
All in all, it seems everyone is too willing to just dismiss this as some kind of stunted faux-progressive gig, just because it has the word gender neutral slapped on it. The video Tony linked isn't helping because it's playing up the sensationalism like nobody's business.
On the off-chance you want to look into it further before trying to argue about this, here's an interesting research journal on the matter.
Deus Ex:
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on August 01, 2017, 08:46:36 AM ---Because this isn't about how certain genders play with certain toys, it's about delivering education to children without instilling any sort of stereotypes or biases in the children going to school. It's easy to cite a case study on the cultural behavior of a chimp but that's pretty much irrelevant when it comes to more complex sociological issues like this. I've read deeper into Sweden's gender-neutral schools and while they seem to be operating off of a few good ideas, there are some strange choices (Such as not addressing children by their pronouns, preferring a supposedly gender-neutral "Hen" pronoun..?)
All in all, it seems everyone is too willing to just dismiss this as some kind of stunted faux-progressive gig, just because it has the word gender neutral slapped on it. The video Tony linked isn't helping because it's playing up the sensationalism like nobody's business.
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The toys were just an example of how bushing this gender neutral nonsense onto kids is bullstuff. Where at any point in education in 2017 do we focus on the love and gender of students unless it's for love ed? The entire point of these gender neutral schools is to push these gender-neutral pronouns onto kids with no sense of self to begin with. You keep calling an 8 year old male a gender neutral pronoun he's gonna get confused.
This is just another step in the total pussification of Sweden. As if making excuses for migrant rapists didn't emasculate their men enough, now we have their children being indoctrinated into the kind of thinking that leads to neo-masculine manlets that think dressing in plaid and growing a beard is the pinnacle of manliness.
IkeTheGeneric:
--- Quote from: Deus Ex on August 01, 2017, 08:51:29 AM ---Where at any point in education in 2017 do we focus on the love and gender of students unless it's for love ed? The entire point of these gender neutral schools is to push these gender-neutral pronouns onto kids with no sense of self to begin with. You keep calling an 8 year old male a gender neutral pronoun he's gonna get confused.
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This is not only besides the original point as far as I've read, it's completely unfounded, unsubstantiated claims.
--- Quote from: Deus Ex on August 01, 2017, 08:51:29 AM ---This is just another step in the total pussification of Sweden. As if making excuses for migrant rapists didn't emasculate their men enough, now we have their children being indoctrinated into the kind of thinking that leads to neo-masculine manlets that think dressing in plaid and growing a beard is the pinnacle of manliness.
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I don't know what to say other than this is completely delusional sensationalist bullstuff. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
IkeTheGeneric:
Also, the point of these schools are to provide education without trying to push gender stereotypes on children. The people that originally proposed this idea had done so because of a study on Swedish culture that lead to an experimental kind of schooling. Sweden happens to do things like this a lot, sociological experiments for the sake of examination and research. I don't know much about Swedish culture, especially not on the preschool level, but to immediately write off experiments as detrimental before reading ANY of the scientific material, and then to start complaining about the "Pussification" of Sweden, is completely ridiculous.
It doesn't matter how many people fall for the video linked by Tony, you're just wrong about this one. I don't know why you keep forming such strong opinions on things without getting the full picture, but I'm finding it increasingly hard to take your statements seriously.
General:
For forget sake I hate it when people think girls and boys are the same mentally. Reality: They are not, boys and girls are different both physically and mentally.