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| Verification:
--- Quote from: GRIMLOCK_ on August 09, 2017, 09:18:57 PM ---Kimon dismisses your post because he's too attached to these forums and can't stand losing an argument. --- End quote --- fixd |
| Conan:
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on August 09, 2017, 09:17:51 PM ---Gizmodo actually edited the "manifesto" (it's a loving memo you dips calm down) to not include any of the graphs, sources or fancy editing. Here's the ACTUAL unedited memo: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf All of his claims are backed by science and notable sources like The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt. This kid has a Master of Science from Harvard and a BS from the University of Illinois, both degrees SPECIFICALLY in Biology. He knows what the forget he's talking about. Better yet, he was a leftist who had suggested a better way of getting women into tech than using diversity quotas and discriminatory hiring. To say that this guy was a troll who pulled things out of his ass to piss some people off is wrong on all levels. The best part is that everything he said got proven true not even a day after he was fired. He says that Google has a problem with different opinions, and they fire him, saying that they don't like his opinions. He says women on average tend to be more emotional and on average take more sick days, and a substantial group of women got so offended that they collectively took a sick day. Things couldn't get any better for this guy. --- End quote --- biology =/= sociology or psychology tho, which is what is relevant in terms of his memo's topic. did you read the article on medium posted a few times in this topic? the third point in it, which is about how the memo would create a hostile working environment, is honestly a pretty valid point, and is strong enough grounds to fire the dude. having this memo internally distributed and talked about would divide the workplace into people who support him and people who dont support him, and would cause workplace politics that would actively get in the way of doing their job. eg: imagine if you found out your coworker was leisuresuit/kimon, and vice versa. if both of you were in the same room, wouldnt it be far harder to focus on doing your work? or at least far easier to have simple conversations flare up into resentment/workplace conflict? now imagine if leisuresuit, red spy, seventh, and corderlain were around too. its pretty easy to see why they needed to fire him immediately |
| Electrk.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEDuVF7kiPU Interview with Jordan Peterson |
| Tactical Nuke:
--- Quote from: Conan on August 09, 2017, 09:26:50 PM ---biology =/= sociology or psychology tho, which is what is relevant in terms of his memo's topic. --- End quote --- Okay. That doesn't mean he's wrong, though. --- Quote from: Conan on August 09, 2017, 09:26:50 PM ---did you read the article on medium posted a few times in this topic? the third point in it, which is about how the memo would create a hostile working environment, is honestly a pretty valid point, and is strong enough grounds to fire the dude. having this memo internally distributed and talked about would divide the workplace into people who support him and people who dont support him, and would cause workplace politics that would actively get in the way of doing their job. --- End quote --- Google would've taken a hit no matter what reason they fired him for, because regardless he would be proven right. It's just icing on the cake that Sundar Pichai came out and ragged on the guy's "offensive" opinions. |
| Karl Marx:
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on August 09, 2017, 09:17:51 PM ---Gizmodo actually edited the "manifesto" (it's a loving memo you dips calm down) to not include any of the graphs, sources or fancy editing. Here's the ACTUAL unedited memo: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf All of his claims are backed by science and notable sources like The Righteous Mind by Jonathan Haidt. This kid has a Master of Science from Harvard and a BS from the University of Illinois, both degrees SPECIFICALLY in Biology. He knows what the forget he's talking about. Better yet, he was a leftist who had suggested a better way of getting women into tech than using diversity quotas and discriminatory hiring. To say that this guy was a troll who pulled things out of his ass to piss some people off is wrong on all levels. The best part is that everything he said got proven true not even a day after he was fired. He says that Google has a problem with different opinions, and they fire him, saying that they don't like his opinions. He says women on average tend to be more emotional and on average take more sick days, and a substantial group of women got so offended that they collectively took a sick day. Things couldn't get any better for this guy. --- End quote --- Really? He linked to a single wikipedia page with the broad topic of "biological differences in males and females" without specifying what we should be looking for. He doesn't brown townyze how the different social conditions of young boys and girls changes their mindsets from an early age, or how hightened empathy in any way translates to lessened technical skills. Unsurprisingly, it's because he's completely unqualified in the field of sociology/psychology. His first mistake was noting the differences as "biological" in a half-hearted appeal to his education. Despite his insistence, those studies and brown townyses are, and always will, remain in the domain of psychology and sociology. No amount of skimming on a wikipedia page will make you understand how these results apply in a setting like the one mr. Qualified attempt to shoehorn them in, without formal education. This led to a stuffty, accusatory and amateurish essay, and more importantly, his termination. |
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