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| otto-san:
the problem is just that the statue represents the confederacy and exists to praise their efforts. we can remember the bad parts of our history without glorifying them and, in practice, that's what statues like these do. there are no national socialist statues in berlin, but there is a holocaust memorial |
| ShadowsfeaR:
--- Quote from: Count on August 13, 2017, 02:37:31 AM ---What a great man, I might erect a statue tomorrow in my yard. --- End quote --- Wow way to take that to an extreme. Slow the forget down and listen. People are condemning what is, ultimately, a piece of artwork. This artwork depicts a man named Robert E. Lee. Yes he led confederate troops against the north, supporting their views. A defeated man, he concedes to his opponent and then educates himself. I value someone who has experience and learns from their mistakes, they ultimately have much wider viewpoints than most. I condemn what he stood for when he fought against the North, but he died as a person who wanted to help spread equality in America. Why should you continue to hate a person who changed their viewpoint to what you actually agree with? |
| Tactical Nuke:
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on August 13, 2017, 02:43:19 AM ---Here's my two cents: stuffting on people for trying to act reasonable during the flavor of the week political argument kinda squares you into the "Unbearable starfish" territory. --- End quote --- your response was a good explanation as to why it's terrible to get excited about this after all that's happened his response was a long version of "I don't care guys look at how virtuous I am for not caring as much as you" |
| PhantOS:
--- Quote from: ShadowsfeaR on August 13, 2017, 02:45:51 AM ---Wow way to take that to an extreme. Slow the forget down and listen. People are condemning what is, ultimately, a piece of artwork. This artwork depicts a man named Robert E. Lee. Yes he led confederate troops against the north, supporting their views. A defeated man, he concedes to his opponent and then educates himself. I value someone who has experience and learns from their mistakes, they ultimately have much wider viewpoints than most. I condemn what he stood for when he fought against the North, but he died as a person who wanted to help spread equality in America. Why should you continue to hate a person who changed their viewpoint to what you actually agree with? --- End quote --- he didn't have some radical change of heart. he always believed that black people were inferior, but he also believed that they should be treated with some level of humanity. he continued to hold slaves for 10 years after their contract was changed, and he wrote that he wanted to find someone who would treat the slaves fairly. however that's the equivalent of saying 'i raped a woman but it's okay because i gave her a ride home afterwards' sure you're better than someone who would just rape a woman, but that's not winning you any medals. why not glorify someone who didn't actually rape any women. maybe instead glorify someone who helped comfort rape victims |
| Count:
--- Quote from: otto-san on August 13, 2017, 02:43:55 AM ---the problem is just that the statue represents the confederacy and exists to praise their efforts. we can remember the bad parts of our history without glorifying them and, in practice, that's what statues like these do. there are no national socialist statues in berlin, but there is a holocaust memorial --- End quote --- They we're going to move the statue to a museum I believe. It's not like they were going to smash it in. --- Quote from: ShadowsfeaR on August 13, 2017, 02:45:51 AM ---Wow way to take that to an extreme. Slow the forget down and listen. People are condemning what is, ultimately, a piece of artwork. This artwork depicts a man named Robert E. Lee. Yes he led confederate troops against the north, supporting their views. A defeated man, he concedes to his opponent and then educates himself. I value someone who has experience and learns from their mistakes, they ultimately have much wider viewpoints than most. I condemn what he stood for when he fought against the North, but he died as a person who wanted to help spread equality in America. Why should you continue to hate a person who changed their viewpoint to what you actually agree with? --- End quote --- --- Quote ---Lee forthrightly opposed allowing blacks to vote: "My own opinion is that, at this time, they [black Southerners] cannot vote intelligently, and that giving them the [vote] would lead to a great deal of demagogism, and lead to embarrassments in various ways."[124] Lee also recommended the deportation of African Americans from Virginia and even mentioned that Virginians would give aid in the deportation. "I think it would be better for Virginia if she could get rid of them [African Americans]. ... I think that everyone there would be willing to aid it." --- End quote --- I definitely agree with that! |
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