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| PhantOS:
--- Quote from: Ragequit on August 17, 2017, 08:03:41 PM ---i could beat an attacker to death with a chair but it isn't considered a conventional weapon either also in cases where a vehicle is used to assault it's classified as assault with a deadly weapon its 100 percent self defense to hit people with anything, including your car if they're trying to kill or hurt you. --- End quote --- beating an attacker isn't self defense under any circumstances. even if they try to fight you, fighting back beyond, like, shoving them away or subduing them with no permanent damage is outside the realm of self defense however, they make exceptions if the attacker has a machine gun and you somehow manage to knock them out. however, if they have like a stick and attack you and you beat them up or break something they can still sue you |
| ultimamax:
--- Quote from: mod-man on August 17, 2017, 08:15:11 PM ---as far as i know the only violent thing counter protesters did was tear down the statue without authorities consent. --- End quote --- I think you're thinking of a different statue. I don't believe the one in Charlottesville has been taken down yet. AFAIK there's a motion for the statue to be officially removed by the Charlottesville government or whatever. |
| mod-man:
--- Quote from: PhantOS on August 17, 2017, 08:32:43 PM ---beating an attacker isn't self defense under any circumstances. even if they try to fight you, fighting back beyond, like, shoving them away or subduing them with no permanent damage is outside the realm of self defense --- End quote --- what makes you think this --- Quote from: ultimamax on August 17, 2017, 08:34:25 PM ---I think you're thinking of a different statue. I don't believe the one in Charlottesville has been taken down yet. AFAIK there's a motion for the statue to be officially removed by the Charlottesville government or whatever. --- End quote --- oop, yeah you're right about that i was thinking of the statue in north carolina |
| otto-san:
http://www.lectlaw.com/def/d030.htm --- Quote ---A defense to certain criminal charges involving force (e.g. murder). Use of force is justified when a person reasonably believes that it is necessary for the defense of oneself or another against the immediate use of unlawful force. However, a person must use no more force than appears reasonably necessary in the circumstances. Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm. --- End quote --- |
| PhantOS:
--- Quote from: mod-man on August 17, 2017, 08:35:11 PM ---what makes you think this --- End quote --- there are limits to self defense, you can read it on cornell's website. you only have the right to stand your ground as long as the aggressor is using deadly force and you remain a non-aggressor going out of your way to beat the stuff out of an attacker after they are subdued/incapacitated legally makes you an aggressor and then they can use self-defense. so if, say, protesters are batting your hood with sticks and you decide to run them over and they start to scatter or run away, they are officially non-aggressors and you in the car are officially an aggressor. they can still be charged with the damage to your vehicle, but you'll be charged with assault and whatever happens after |
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