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Another statue was taken down... this time forcibly
Nonnel:
--- Quote from: Kearn on August 15, 2017, 05:22:46 PM ---prison labor is not only ok but was explicitly constitutionally protected when slavery was abolished. people aren't kidnapped and thrown in jail, you have to commit a crime of sufficient severity to be sentenced to a term like that in the first place
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indentured servants were servants by choice, not kidnapped. that's the whole point.
legal =/= ok
the last claim is provably false. many prisoners are in only for drug use (boy, i wonder why they don't want to legalize drugs!) our man jeff sessions even ordered prosecutors to seek maximum penalties for drug offenses.
--- Quote from: IkeTheGeneric on August 15, 2017, 05:31:42 PM ---In fact, I don't see why statues being removed is a bigger outrage than an innocent girl being killed in a hit and run incident during a protest gone wrong.
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this is a good point. what a stupid distraction this is from that.
Kearn:
--- Quote from: Nonnel on August 15, 2017, 05:36:33 PM ---the last claim is provably false.
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what is false about it? they were convicted by a jury of their peers in a court of law and sentenced according to their crimes
--- Quote from: Nonnel on August 15, 2017, 05:36:33 PM ---indentured servants were servants by choice, not kidnapped. that's the whole point.
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and half of them died
many were not here by choice, they were political prisoners and vagrants
Nonnel:
--- Quote from: Kearn on August 15, 2017, 05:46:11 PM ---what is false about it? they were convicted by a jury of their peers in a court of law and sentenced according to their crimes
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because many of the prisoners who are forced to do prison labor are people who are in for drug use. which is not a severe crime.
--- Quote from: Kearn on August 15, 2017, 05:46:11 PM ---and half of them died
many were not here by choice, they were political prisoners and vagrants
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that's why i'm saying indentured servitude is bad, my man. i'm only saying it draws parallels to prison labor.
Kearn:
--- Quote from: Nonnel on August 15, 2017, 05:55:23 PM ---because many of the prisoners who are forced to do prison labor are people who are in for drug use. which is not a severe crime.
that's why i'm saying indentured servitude is bad, my man. i'm only saying it draws parallels to prison labor.
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then that's a failure of the sentencing guidelines. i'm not arguing with you on the potential criminal penalties for personal use being too extreme
--- Quote from: Nonnel on August 15, 2017, 05:55:23 PM ---because many of the prisoners who are forced to do prison labor are people who are in for drug use. which is not a severe crime.
that's why i'm saying indentured servitude is bad, my man. i'm only saying it draws parallels to prison labor.
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prison labor, again, is only something you can participate in in this country if you've been convicted in a court of law by your peers. many indentured servants were kidnapped and given forged documentation and had no possible recourse because they effectively had no rights to participate in the legal or political systems in any way
Nonnel:
--- Quote from: Kearn on August 15, 2017, 05:58:14 PM ---prison labor, again, is only something you can participate in in this country if you've been convicted in a court of law by your peers. many indentured servants were kidnapped and given forged documentation and had no possible recourse because they effectively had no rights to participate in the legal or political systems in any way
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sounds like by law they are very similar, even if it was abused in practice. of course, wrongful convictions and falsified evidence exists, too.
also prisoners are also barred (no pun intended) from voting in particular states (especially Southern states which feed off prison labor) and have no possible recourse.