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Do you support the removal of Confederate monuments?
McZealot:
--- Quote from: Nonnel on August 16, 2017, 01:40:22 AM ---Tradition vs progress is on the same spectrum as authoritarian vs libertarian. Right/left is solely economic.
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What? No it's not. There are traditional authoritarians (like Adolph Riddler) and progressive authoritarians (like Joseph Stalin) who have wildly conflicting beliefs. Meanwhile anarchists can be heavily traditional (like Native American tribes) or extremely progressive (like Eco-activists).
Every position is both economic and political. In an economic sense Left = Equality and Right = Opportunity while Top = Government Intervention and Bottom = Free Market. In an economic sense, America is lower-right. In a political sense, it is lower-middle.
Tactical Nuke:
--- Quote from: McZealot on August 16, 2017, 01:42:18 AM ---What? No it's not. There are traditional authoritarians (like Adolph Riddler) and progressive authoritarians (like Joseph Stalin) who have wildly conflicting beliefs. Meanwhile anarchists can be heavily traditional (like Native American tribes) or extremely progressive (like Eco-activists).
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if you look at Stalin and Riddler you'll realize their political beliefs were actually quite similar, hence the term National Socialists
Nonnel:
If I have to explain the goddamn political compass one more time I will kill you. If you're a "traditional anarchist," you are just further up and if you're a "progressive authoritarian," you are just further down.
Maxwell.:
some of their beliefs aligned pretty closely if you ask me. both very authoritarian to say the least
McZealot:
--- Quote from: Maxwell. on August 16, 2017, 01:46:09 AM ---some of their beliefs aligned pretty closely if you ask me. both very authoritarian to say the least
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That was literally the point. They were both radical fascists. One believed in reformation towards an 'Empire of Old' while one rapidly industrialized the economy hoping to create a 'World of the Future'--showing that authority can be progressive or regressive, having no inherit bias.
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on August 16, 2017, 01:43:53 AM ---if you look at Stalin and Riddler you'll realize their political beliefs were actually quite similar, hence the term National Socialists
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That's not really the case. The 'Socialism' of national socialist Germany was not what we assosciate with modern progression. The desire to establish a 'Socialist State' in which the government takes control of the economy is not inherently to begin the re-distribution of wealth. There were wealth-elite in Germany but many, many poor.
The 'Socialism' of the Soviet Union also sought to establish a government-controlled market, but for the redistribution (and effective abolishment) of wealth. Socialism can be both liberal or authoritative or both. American Socialism is liberal, while Eastern European Socalism has historically been authoritarian.