Do you support the removal of Confederate monuments?

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HellHound:

--- Quote from: Nonnel on August 16, 2017, 12:22:36 PM ---for this stupid suggestion I will kill you

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i am sorry for my disgrace to a past Great Leader. may my execution be swift

McZealot:

--- Quote from: Mouse droidz 21 on August 16, 2017, 08:14:17 AM ---I've said this in the other thread but this time I'd like to ask a question, if North Korea decides to forget with the US one day and America invades North Korea, would you people want these two statues:

kept or destroyed? and don't pull that "Oh it's just a memorial for fallen soldiers not evil dictators" bullstuff. Anything that goes against morality shouldn't be commemorated

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The difference is that Robert E Lee was a citizen of rebel Virginia. He didn't choose to live in a rebel-occupied state and he didn't start the revolution, unlike the North Korean dictators. You could make this argument about a statue of Jefferson Davis since he directly caused and lead the revolution against the Union, but most of these war memorials honor soldiers and generals. Robert didn't go to war and kill hundreds of thousands of US soldiers because he loved slavery or something--he did it because they were there. The Confederacy didn't invade the north--the Union stormed through the Confederacy and displaced millions of people through extremely destructive methods of warfare that included burning farms and homes, destroying railroad tracks and killing livestock. The last person executed by the federal government was killed because he tore down a Union flag in a Confederate state. The Union was brutal and disgusting during the war and while that obviously doesn't excuse the atrocities of slavery and revolution committed by the Confederacy it's ridiculous to act as though every random soldier and general went to war to defend slavery or because they hated liberalism. They went to war because what else are you going to do when people from a thousand miles away burning your home to the ground? And as for Robert E. Lee--a military officer is literally legally required to serve their country whether they agree with it or not. Are you suggesting it would've been more moral for him to betray the Confederacy? Because I don't really think that's the case.

Random soldiers and generals aren't evil because they followed stuffty orders. This obviously isn't always the case--national socialist generals had no such defense of being terrorized. They weren't ever on the 'defense' during the first half of the war. But it applies to the Confederacy.

c[_]:
I think that in some places the statues might be more safe in museums than outside. But here in Finland we don't tend to have any controversial monuments so i don't know how much vandalism they attract.

McZealot:
uh, wasn't finland allied with national socialist germany? did they tear all those statues down or just not build them to begin with

Nonnel:
Finland was in it more to get their clay back from Rosyia than because they were fascists

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