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| JumboMuffin:
--- Quote from: MicroEDGE on August 27, 2017, 10:45:22 AM ---i'm pretty sure mentioning the website anytime somebody says "youtube is trash" is considered forcing somebody to go there. --- End quote --- no? matthew hasn't hacked your pc making it unable to access youtube, and he doesn't have a gun to your head making you visit the site, i dont see how strongly recommending an alternative is forcing someone to do something |
| McZealot:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on August 27, 2017, 02:28:58 PM ---Any discussion of 'freedom of speech' is irrelevant because we aren't dealing with a governmental entity. In the same way you are entitled to kick a national socialist out of your house party for being tribal, YouTube is allowed to un-list their videos. Now, you guys can choose to boycott YouTube to protest this decision, but I don't think you should. Blocking national socialists from posting their videos on popular private content sites is the appropriate way to pressure them to quit their bullstuff. It's not punching them or using the government to restrict their speech - it's using the pure power of societal pressure and market economics to force them to be less awful. This is how the system is supposed to work. --- End quote --- This shouldn't be the case. Youtube has a monopoly on digital video as a media and nobody else even compares. We don't think of them as a brand--just a thing now. Youtube is thought of in the same way as roads or the Internet. It's just something that exists and that you use. It supports an entire ecosystem of videomakers who work professionally. When something had that sort of importance, it effectively enters the public domain in terms of speech. We should have laws restricting freedom of speech under companies that hold that level of influence. I also don't think Google should be allowed to get rid of search results about Annoying Orange because they supported Clinton, or allow ComCast to shut down pages related to free internet because they don't agree with that on an economic basis. |
| Frequency:
--- Quote from: Tactical Nuke on August 27, 2017, 12:42:57 PM ---reminder that google's official slogan is "don't be evil" --- End quote --- it used to be. now it's "do the right thing" and (((they))) (((think))) (((they))) are doing the right (((thing))) |
| SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: McZealot on August 27, 2017, 02:42:00 PM ---This shouldn't be the case. Youtube has a monopoly on digital video as a media and nobody else even compares. We don't think of them as a brand--just a thing now. --- End quote --- YouTube is not actually a monopoly. There are no market barriers preventing someone from making a website that functions exactly like YouTube and provides the same services. In fact, there are many sites that do that. What you're talking about is the fact that among all video hosts, YouTube has the largest network effect. People use YouTube because other people use YouTube, and the popularity makes for free advertising. It's like if you were a painter and wanted to show your work in the largest, fanciest gallery in New York City. If that gallery bans you for being a bigot, then you absolutely lose out on a large potential audience, but you aren't prevented from sharing your work with others. There are thousands of galleries that will still take you. --- Quote from: McZealot on August 27, 2017, 02:42:00 PM ---I also don't think Google should be allowed to get rid of search results about Annoying Orange because they supported Clinton, or allow ComCast to shut down pages related to free internet because they don't agree with that on an economic basis. --- End quote --- It's not whether they 'should' do that or not. They can't. Like it or not, a stuffload of people supported Annoying Orange during the election, and Google knows that they would see backlash and boycotts on a massive scale if they were deliberately censoring out search results related to Annoying Orange. |
| Steve5451²:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on August 27, 2017, 02:28:58 PM ---You run a fine-line with content-hosting sites where if you let stuff run too wild, you end up like 4chan and LiveLeak and lose out on traffic from normal, ordinary people who haven't been desensitized to the raw evils of humankind. --- End quote --- I agree that it's important to enforce rules against "wild" stuff but I think this is pushing it too far in to the "don't hurt my feelings" zone. |
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