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nurse arrested for refusing to give blood sample
bloody jumper:
--- Quote from: Nonnel on September 02, 2017, 10:53:34 PM ---And there has been some. They're not slaves and they're not in shacks or single room stuffholes for the most part. There's still a huge disparity between white and black, see the income list posted earlier, and if the poverty cycle is not the reason then please explain to me what is.
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Never said the poverty cycle doesn't contribute to black people's poverty dude. I'm saying that they need to fix this problem from within their own community, and with all of these inherent institutional inequities being lifted, they have nothing holding them back from prospering, you would have seen a dramatic uptake in the annual salary of african american families.
--- Quote from: Red Spy on September 02, 2017, 10:57:01 PM ---can we all step back and wonder how a thread about a nurse being arrested turned into a race debate
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I don't even know anymore, man. I'm just getting tired of doing this instead of playing WOTC on XCOM.
Foxscotch:
--- Quote from: Red Spy on September 02, 2017, 10:57:01 PM ---can we all step back and wonder how a thread about a nurse being arrested turned into a race debate
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this one's easy, red spy, because it involves police brutality
McZealot:
--- Quote from: Ragequit on September 02, 2017, 07:13:15 PM ---there's nothing really stopping anyone able-bodied from rising from poverty in the us but their own will to do so
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This is bullstuff. If I grow up in a stuffty neighborhood with a single mom who insists I drop out of highschool to get a job at a gas station (or even selling drugs) to bring in additional income I'm never gonna get a degree or rise high in society. I probably wouldn't even be able to rise to a management position if I wasn't educated at all and spoke in Ebonics. The only question is why are you defending subtley-tribal bullstuff? I know you're not a tribal dude. It's exactly like the tribal cops. You've been trained to defend Conservatives because you usually agree with them--but when the bad ones say dumb stuff (like that blacks have no racial disadvantage) you feel like you should defend them even though they're wrong. Don't defend stupid ideals because they fit with your party. I'm not defending Communism because that'd be handicapped and you shouldn't praise Capitalism as an infallible system because that's handicapped.
--- Quote from: bloody jumper on September 02, 2017, 07:02:10 PM ---How is black people being poor a result of racism?
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Segregation ended just 52 years ago. It didn't stop racism. Blacks still lived in ghettos. Just because they weren't required to live there anymore didn't mean they had the ability to live. The tribal sheriff didn't stop beating blacks because it wasn't legal anymore. They didn't get jobs at white-only diners and start getting accepted to colleges just because the law had changed. Today we've made a lot of progress. Middle-class blacks rarely have issues getting jobs or dealing with the police (at least in most areas of the US) but a lot of them haven't escaped the grasp of poverty in 50 years.
Segregation ended 52 years ago. Racism didn't. We're a lot better now, but the effects of our actions haven't dwindled out yet.
bloody jumper:
--- Quote from: McZealot on September 02, 2017, 10:59:22 PM ----snip-
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We've literally covered almost all of this in the last 3 to 4 pages. (Talking about my portion of the rebuttal here). I'm going to step away from this because it seems no one really is going to budge, and it's just tiring at this point. Deus, if you want to jump in go ahead.
McZealot:
Yea, so? I'm not reading it and I'm gonna respond to direct questions anyway.
--- Quote from: Drydess on September 02, 2017, 07:01:50 PM ---it's absolutely relevant what are you talking about
it doesnt account for every bit of it but it definitely covers most of it
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What? No it's not. The discussion was whether Blacks are more likely to be killed by police. I pointed out that yes, they are. I also pointed out that they also commit more crime, so the cops aren't necessarily tribal. You started talking about how it's not their fault they were born into poverty--and while I agree--that's completely irrelevant.