[NEWS] North Korea successfully tests hydrogen bomb

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Deus Ex:

--- Quote from: PhantOS on September 03, 2017, 06:31:47 PM ---we starve them out, they get desperate and surrender their nuclear devices, then the un collects/destroys them and forces them to sign a nuclear test treaty.

what you described is like the ultimate shoot yourself in the foot scenario. you're operating on the assumption that Dennis Rodman's Pal's entire staff of advisers are autistic and suicidal. if they were willing to launch a nuke and kill people with it, which anyone could see would not help them in any way, they would've done that years ago.

if you have weapons of mass destruction and you're currently starving, the best outcome is to sell your weapons in order to remove the sanctions / improve the economy.

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This is nice and all but NK has been starving for years with no forgets given and still continue to work on their nuclear capabilities so all of this is rendered null and void. We either deal with this now and kill several thousand people in the process or do it later after several hundred million people have lost their lives

--- Quote from: Nonnel on September 03, 2017, 06:35:02 PM ---"capital punishment" is the death penalty, you're thinking of corporal punishment
if your punishment involves physical pain, it is abuse. it's assault if you hit an adult, why's it okay to hit a child?

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Yeah that; and no it isn't. I don't know where this hugbox culture idea that hitting your kids is abuse came from but putting children in timeout doesn't work for every child. Some children can only be reigned it after a lengthy explanation of their forget up followed by a good spanking. Obviously there are methods that are simply unnecessary, like using a switch or cord, but to think that any kind of hitting is abuse is kind of ridiculous.

--- Quote from: McZealot on September 03, 2017, 06:38:01 PM ---not only is it abusive to hit children, it teaches them that violence is an acceptable means to solve problems and will seriously increase their chances of physically bullying others when they grow older. no-one in america should ever have to fear for their life or health unless they are an immediate threat. corporal or capital punishment are both bad because they suggest violence is an acceptable means to an end when not required.

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Spoken like someone who hasn't had to raise a stuffhead kid before
Speaking from experience (as the stuffhead kid), I can safely say every spanking I got only served to make me a better person growing up. I think if I hadn't gotten spanked, I'd be a much bigger starfish than I already am, and I don't have any lasting scars - physical or mental - because my parents were abusers. It's kind of offensive that you'd imply that are, to be honest. Not everyone who spanks their kids does it to the point of leaving horrific bruises. And while I hate to use this argument because it's a tad played out, they are acting in the interest of helping their kid not be such a stuffhead.
Spanking isn't physically bullying your kid, that's loving ridiculous. It's teaching the kid that some actions will have physical repercussions and they should not repeat them.

PhantOS:

--- Quote from: Deus Ex on September 03, 2017, 06:42:36 PM ---This is nice and all but NK has been starving for years with no forgets given and still continue to work on their nuclear capabilities so all of this is rendered null and void. We either deal with this now and kill several thousand people in the process or do it later after several hundred million people have lost their lives

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or we do neither of those two horrible options and instead make no risky decisions, that way 0 americans or north korean people will die.

you absolutely love to black and white this entire situation. there's objectively better choices than the two that you are suggesting, both of which will never actually loving happen because both the us and nk have a full team of smart, intelligent advisors who know when a decision is loving horrible

also this whole thing about 'them already being starving therefore everything is null and void' is the single most autistic thing i've ever heard. if you sanction north korea and they have no source of income, they will have no way to produce weapons, continue testing nuclear devices, and of course their economy will suffer heavily. all this combined has been in effect for a while, you just see 'because they haven't stopped its not working' which once again is just a simple black and white summary of an extremely complex scenario

crazies alt:
0 north Koreans will die*
millions of americans will die*
there I have corrected your statement

Master Matthew²:

--- Quote from: crazies alt on September 03, 2017, 06:48:49 PM ---0 north Koreans will die*
millions of americans will die*
there I have corrected your statement

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W R O N G

Nonnel:

--- Quote from: Deus Ex on September 03, 2017, 06:42:36 PM ---Yeah that; and no it isn't. I don't know where this hugbox culture idea that hitting your kids is abuse came from but putting children in timeout doesn't work for every child. Some children can only be reigned it after a lengthy explanation of their forget up followed by a good spanking. Obviously there are methods that are simply unnecessary, like using a switch or cord, but to think that any kind of hitting is abuse is kind of ridiculous.

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I dunno what to tell you. It is. The APA, WHO, and the UN Secretary-General's Study on Violence Against Children all agree that hitting your child is abuse. I'm more confused on how you came to understand that it isn't?

also you guys realize that NK's mass starvation was in the 90s, not right now, yeah?

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