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| beachbum111111:
Reminder that Catalonia will never be independent. |
| Kearn:
--- Quote from: TristanLuigi on October 29, 2017, 12:18:58 AM ---They're not democratic laws if the people no longer support them, and in fact actively want to overturn them. The fact that you don't comprehend that is amazing to me. --- End quote --- then change the laws instead of immediately resorting to the default anarchist conclusion of "the laws don't apply to me if i don't like them" every single time it's surreal to me that you seem to think it is perfectly fine to undermine the authority of a stable democracy on a whim because you have some trivial disagreement compared to the problems in the rest of the world this isn't "overthrow the communist regime who tormented us for a century and starved and purged tens of millions of people" it's "we're an autonomous region with our own government and laws and we think we don't have to follow the constitution we voted for 40 years ago even though the rest of the country has to" --- Quote from: beachbum111111 on October 29, 2017, 12:28:49 AM ---Reminder that Catalonia will never be independent. --- End quote --- |
| beachbum111111:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/europe/catalonia-independence-spain/index.html HAHAHA CATALONIA HAS EVEN LESS AUTONOMY NOW. Tristan right now |
| TristanLuigi:
--- Quote from: Ceist on October 29, 2017, 12:27:58 AM ---Law's can be used to justify an argument however, that's how courts make decisions. To make this point relevant to discussion, here's some info. The High Court Justice of Catalonia issued orders to the police to prevent the elections. https://elpais.com/ccaa/2017/09/20/catalunya/1505885372_273143.html https://es.reuters.com/article/topNews/idESKCN1C42K5-OESTP http://www.elnacional.cat/en/news/catalan-court-mossos-close-polling-stations-referendum_195894_102.html --- End quote --- Yes, but are the court's decisions relevant to what is right and wrong? --- Quote from: Ceist on October 29, 2017, 12:27:58 AM ---If you want to make the argument about whether they should, the obvious answer is also no, and you've attuned yourself to that idea as well in an earlier post of yours. --- End quote --- I argue that they should be allowed to, not necessarily that they should. There's certainly a distinction there. Their decision may not be correct, but it is their decision to make. --- Quote from: Kearn on October 29, 2017, 12:29:13 AM ---then change the laws instead of immediately resorting to the default anarchist conclusion of "the laws don't apply to me if i don't like them" every single time it's surreal to me that you seem to think it is perfectly fine to undermine the authority of a stable democracy on a whim because you have some trivial disagreement compared to the problems in the rest of the world this isn't "overthrow the communist regime who tormented us for a century and starved and purged tens of millions of people" it's "we're an autonomous region with our own government and laws and we think we don't have to follow the constitution we voted for 40 years ago even though the rest of the country has to" --- End quote --- This isn't anarchism. It's "Catalans should decide how they're governed." What Spain thinks of the ordeal is completely irrelevant, and while it would be nice to do it through legal paths, they're not going to convince the rest of Spain to change the constitution. Also, not sure why you keep bringing up the 40 year thing as if it were some kind of great blow? |
| beachbum111111:
it's always 'should' with you isn't it? Look at the reality Tristan. Catalonia will never, EVER, be independent and you know it. Sorry but your little poopstain on the tail end of spain will remain just that. |
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