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Catalonia's independence movement died before it started
TristanLuigi:
--- Quote from: Ceist on October 29, 2017, 12:49:45 AM ---Yes. Court's are usually supposed differentiate right and wrong.
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They differentiate what's legal and illegal, not what's right and wrong. Correlated, perhaps, but not identical.
Kearn:
--- Quote from: TristanLuigi on October 29, 2017, 12:50:11 AM ---They differentiate what's legal and illegal, not what's right and wrong. Correlated, perhaps, but not identical.
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the law is the "right and wrong" under a nation's sovereign rule. you can feel how you want about it based on whatever moral system you run on but at the end of the day you cannot expect to violate the law and expect said nation to say "okay well that's fine that law doesn't apply to you"
spain has adamantly insisted that catalonia does not have the right to secede under the spanish constitution and catalonia is subject to spain's rule. unless you're proposing a civil war or international invasion of spain to forcibly liberate catalonia they are a subject of spain
TristanLuigi:
--- Quote from: Kearn on October 29, 2017, 12:53:15 AM ---the law is the "right and wrong" under a nation's sovereign rule. you can feel how you want about it based on whatever moral system you run on but at the end of the day you cannot expect to violate the law and expect said nation to say "okay well that's fine that law doesn't apply to you"
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Again, you're conflating individuals and society. You can't get out of a case against you by saying "I disagree with this," but when an entire region of people no longer want to be ruled by the Spanish government, they have the right to leave.
Kearn:
--- Quote from: TristanLuigi on October 29, 2017, 12:55:04 AM ---Again, you're conflating individuals and society. You can't get out of a case against you by saying "I disagree with this," but when an entire region of people no longer want to be ruled by the Spanish government, they have the right to leave.
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what constitutes a region? if i convince my highschool class to declare independence is the US obligated to let us establish a new nation in the schoolgrounds? can a city declare independence? a county?
beachbum111111:
Theres no point in arguing with tristan. He's completely delusional and refuses to accept reality.