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| beachbum111111:
--- Quote from: Rally on October 29, 2017, 01:01:00 AM ---Even Kimon wasn't this insufferable --- End quote --- I'm wondering if he gave Kimon his account. --- Quote from: TristanLuigi on October 29, 2017, 01:01:54 AM ---Are you willing to argue that these things are qualitatively equivalent to languages and cultures like Catalan? --- End quote --- Oh so what should qualify as an independent nation is based on your subjective, arbitrary idea of what you think a nation should be? Why does this even matter to you anyway? You want to federalize the EU, you should want less sovereign nations, not more. |
| TristanLuigi:
--- Quote from: Kearn on October 29, 2017, 01:03:22 AM ---i'm using your exact definitions!!! you didn't have a quantitative threshold for it is new york city allowed to secede? is each neighborhood in nyc allowed to secede? how many secessions can you have? are you in favor of a billion city states? --- End quote --- Fine. "An area with a culture and national identity distinct from the surrounding areas." Many Catalans identify as Catalans, not Spaniards; I would think most New Yorkers see themselves as Americans before New Yorkers. Or, if you're going to continue being pedantic, how about 20 000 square kilometers? --- Quote from: beachbum111111 on October 29, 2017, 01:04:04 AM ---Oh so what should qualify as an independent nation is based on your subjective, arbitrary idea of what you think a nation should be? Why does this even matter to you anyway? You want to federalize the EU, you should want less sovereign nations, not more. --- End quote --- I would never argue that nations should be forcibly federalized. If they don't want to participate, they don't have to. |
| Rally:
The south will rise again with the help of AP Econ students |
| beachbum111111:
--- Quote from: TristanLuigi on October 29, 2017, 01:06:47 AM ---I would never argue that nations should be forcibly federalized. If they don't want to participate, they don't have to. --- End quote --- Funny since you are completely against brexit |
| TristanLuigi:
--- Quote from: beachbum111111 on October 29, 2017, 01:08:43 AM ---Funny since you are completely against brexit --- End quote --- Yes, I'm against it in that I think it's a bad idea. But they have the right to leave the EU. |
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