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Catalonia's independence movement died before it started
Kearn:
--- Quote from: TristanLuigi on October 27, 2017, 04:11:16 PM ---and the war happened because britain didn't give the US independence; the responsibility is entirely british
similarly, if there's a civil war over this, it's spain's fault
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til constitutions are meaningless and you can declare yourself not subject to your nation's laws on a whim
--- Quote from: Nonnel on October 27, 2017, 04:13:42 PM ---so they should have to have a war to declare independence?? the forget are you talking about?
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if they expect to be an independent nation they should earn their independence through force or do it under the laws of the nation they are separating from. that is how it has always worked and how it always will work.
--- Quote from: Drydess on October 27, 2017, 04:14:28 PM --- why are you against catalan independence
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because they're a bunch of delusional wackadoodles with no respect for spain's constitution or processes
Nonnel:
so the americans were a bunch of wackadoodles with no """"respect"""" for britain's law before they fought
Spain should have respected the democratic process and let it happen instead of brutalizing Catalan citizens who tried to vote
TristanLuigi:
--- Quote from: Kearn on October 27, 2017, 04:17:37 PM ---if they expect to be an independent nation they should earn their independence through force or do it under the laws of the nation they are separating from. that is how it has always worked and how it always will work.
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What the forget is wrong with you? Human rights should not have to be earned by force, they should be granted willingly. Your argument sounds a lot like "might makes right."
Constitutions exist to protect people from states, not the opposite; "constitutions" that do the opposite are meaningless.
SWAT One:
Ah the "might makes right" approach.
The reason why Catalan people should have Independence is because a significant portion of them voted as such.
Do you even understand what a social contract is?
HellHound:
whenever a state of the United States says that they are considering leaving the union, everybody seems ok with it. why is it suddenly a big deal that Catalonia does not want to be part of Spain?