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| DrenDran:
--- Quote from: LeisureSuit912 on October 29, 2017, 02:15:32 PM --- --- End quote --- "People should be allowed self-determination and popular sovereignty when I agree with them!" |
| LeisureSuit912:
--- Quote from: DrenDran on October 29, 2017, 02:18:42 PM ---"People should be allowed self-determination and popular sovereignty when I agree with them!" --- End quote --- That's one way of putting it Catalan secession is good because Catalonia has experienced a history of injustice from the Spanish and they don't even speak the same language An ethnostate is bad because it's tribal and affirms culture as being divided by race Secessionist movements are not judged as universally moral or immoral, there are good and bad cases like everything else that exists |
| DrenDran:
--- Quote from: LeisureSuit912 on October 29, 2017, 02:22:39 PM ---That's one way of putting it Catalan secession is good because Catalonia has experienced a history of injustice from the Spanish and they don't even speak the same language An ethnostate is bad because it's tribal and affirms culture as being divided by race Secessionist movements are not judged as universally moral or immoral, there are good and bad cases like everything else that exists --- End quote --- Seems like you believe "weakness makes right." Always siding with the more oppressed party without any real coherent principles or overarching morality. |
| LeisureSuit912:
--- Quote from: DrenDran on October 29, 2017, 02:24:01 PM ---Seems like you believe "weakness makes right." Always siding with the more oppressed party without any real coherent principles or overarching morality. --- End quote --- I think many would agree that oppression is bad |
| Red Spy:
--- Quote from: LeisureSuit912 on October 29, 2017, 02:22:39 PM ---Catalan secession is good because Catalonia has experienced a history of injustice from the Spanish and they don't even speak the same language An ethnostate is bad because it's tribal and affirms culture as being divided by race --- End quote --- does this mean you like israel |
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