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| DrenDran:
--- Quote from: Red Spy on October 29, 2017, 02:27:55 PM ---does this mean you like israel --- End quote --- They're both an ethnostate and have been oppressed. Don't ask him about Israel or his head might explode. --- Quote from: LeisureSuit912 on October 29, 2017, 02:26:07 PM ---I think many would agree that oppression is bad --- End quote --- I mean, it depends how you define it. I feel like you think any inequality or laws or borders or standards at all really are oppressive. |
| SeventhSandwich:
--- Quote from: DrenDran on October 29, 2017, 02:18:42 PM ---"People should be allowed self-determination and popular sovereignty when I agree with them!" --- End quote --- Basically this, honestly. Whether independence is 'justified' or 'allowed' is entirely a question of whether you think their reasons are valid. We declared independence from Britain because they were stuffbags levying predatory taxes against us, which was a pretty good reason for independence. But we simultaneously fought a war against the Confederacy because they were a bunch of stuffbags declaring independence just so they could continue to keep black people as chattel. There is no universally-accepted code of conduct for what justifiably constitutes a reason for independence. It's whatever the hell you agree with. I'm inclined to side against Catalan independence since it seems like the gist is that they're a bunch of rich starfishs who aren't happy with the fact that the rest of the country isn't as rich as they are. So instead of, say, trying to do something like improving infrastructure, they just want to jump ship. |
| LeisureSuit912:
--- Quote from: Red Spy on October 29, 2017, 02:27:55 PM ---does this mean you like israel --- End quote --- No --- Quote from: DrenDran on October 29, 2017, 02:30:41 PM ---They're both an ethnostate and have been oppressed. Don't ask him about Israel or his head might explode. --- End quote --- Israel is pretty close to an ethnostate and with all the support they get from the US they definitely aren't oppressed |
| Red Spy:
--- Quote from: LeisureSuit912 on October 29, 2017, 02:31:13 PM ---No --- End quote --- i can't say i'm surprised |
| beachbum111111:
--- Quote from: SeventhSandwich on October 29, 2017, 02:30:52 PM ---I'm inclined to side against Catalan independence since it seems like the gist is that they're a bunch of rich starfishs who aren't happy with the fact that the rest of the country isn't as rich as they are. So instead of, say, trying to do something like improving infrastructure, they just want to jump ship. --- End quote --- You make me want to side with Catalan independence now. Thanks alot you commie forget. |
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