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| Kearn:
--- Quote from: TristanLuigi on October 27, 2017, 04:37:20 PM ---self-determination, democratic governance, not bring beat up by police just because they're trying to vote --- End quote --- ok so you would necessarily say the confederacy's right to determination was violated by the US then dont give me that crap about democratic governance, they were already an autonomous region within spain which is more than can be said for most of the rest of spain |
| Nonnel:
They wanted freedom so they could own human beings so... no |
| Kearn:
ah so self-determination is only valid if you agree with them ok cool |
| TristanLuigi:
--- Quote from: Kearn on October 27, 2017, 04:40:01 PM ---ok so you would necessarily say the confederacy's right to determination was violated by the US then --- End quote --- as I said before, the rights of people are superior to the rights of states the CSA wasn't about self-determination, it was about retaining slavery - and many Confederate leaders stated this outright --- Quote from: Kearn on October 27, 2017, 04:40:01 PM ---dont give me that crap about democratic governance, they were already an autonomous region within spain which is more than can be said for most of the rest of spain --- End quote --- they loving beat up people trying to vote and now the Spanish government is trying to replace the Catalan one --- Quote from: Kearn on October 27, 2017, 04:42:42 PM ---ah so self-determination is only valid if you agree with them ok cool --- End quote --- are you being daft on purpose also: --- Quote from: Nonnel on October 27, 2017, 04:19:16 PM ---so the americans were a bunch of wackadoodles with no """"respect"""" for britain's law before they fought --- End quote --- you never responded to this |
| HellHound:
--- Quote from: Kearn on October 27, 2017, 04:40:01 PM ---ok so you would necessarily say the confederacy's right to determination was violated by the US then --- End quote --- yes, the right to self-determine whether or not certain groups of people should be treated as property.. |
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